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Hilda Ward and her sons Russell and Llewellyn

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Stella

Stella Report 6 Jul 2009 15:04

Thanks again for all your help and interest in finding my family.
I have Hilda's birth certificate showing her born in 1875 in Pimlico.
I shall send off for Emily and Christopher's marriage certificate.
I have information about my great grandfather, Paul Ward and his father John Ward , a surgeon in London.
Hilda's mother was born Emily Dadd in Whitstable and married twice. I know where Hilda was living from all the censuses from 1811 to 1911 but quite where Frank Nash (my dad's father) fits in to all of this remains a mystery including the missing years between 1918 and 1920 when he was last heard of. The question still remains who is the missing living third child (not put in the 1911 dead column ) and where did Russell and Llewellyn go after Hilda died in 1918 in Chelsea.? I still cannot find where she was buried. The Beal family were aunt and uncle to Hilda and lived in Godstone Surrey in 1911. I presume Martha Beale was Emily's sister but not sure. Edward was a chain and auction merchant.
Another thing i can't get my head round is why didn't someone, from what appears to be a fairly big family, take my dad on when Hilda died as they obviously weren't poor and uneducated. I can only think he was illegitimate and there was a stigma attached to that then.
Stella

Ozibird

Ozibird Report 6 Jul 2009 08:49

Llewellyn is recorded as 3 years old on the 1911 census. Is the birth cert you've got definitely your Llewellyn?


Ozi.

Ozibird

Ozibird Report 6 Jul 2009 08:27

I guess this her with Paul & Emily (later Winder)?

1881 England Census
Name: Hilda Ward
Age: 5
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Paul
Mother's Name: Emily
Gender: Female
Where born: London S W, London, Middlesex, England
Civil parish: Fulham
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: 1 Lillyville Rd
Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Fulham
Sub-registration district: Fulham
ED, institution, or vessel: 20
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Paul Ward 31 - Physicist; Brixworth, Northamptonshire
Emily Ward 28 - Whitstable, Kent
Hilda Ward 5
Edgar Ward 4 - Whitstable
Edith Ward 3 - London S W, Middlesex
Frank Valser 25 - boarder, physicist



???????
Births Dec 1875
Ward Hilda Constance St. Geo. H. Sq. 1a 382

St George Hanover Square was the reg'n district for Pimlico at the time.

Ozibird

Ozibird Report 6 Jul 2009 08:18

I know this isn't really what you're looking for, but have you seen this?

1891 England Census
Name: Hilda Waid [surname could be Ward]
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876
Relation: Visitor
Gender: Female
Where born: Pimlico, India [definitely Pimlico, Middx]
Civil parish: West Ham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Emmanuel
County/Island: Essex
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: West Ham
Sub-registration district: West Ham
ED, institution, or vessel: 75
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Edward J Beal 36
Martha A Beal 36
Nellie L Beal 10
Edward C Beal 9
Friend H Beal 8
Dorothy E Beal 6
Olga Beal 3
Emily Potter 18
Hilda Waid 15

Ethel

Ethel Report 6 Jul 2009 08:01

Hi again, Stella.
Have found the following that you may already have.

Emily Jane Ward married Christopher Winder. 1903. April/June Qtr. reg in Kings Norton. Staffs. vol 6c page 761

Possible earlier marriages. either
Frederick Ward to Emily Jane Teele. 1872. April/June Qtr. reg in Poplar. vol 1c 1108

or
John Ward to Emily Jane Patten. 1873. April/June Qtr. reg in Poplar. vol 1c 1157.

there are other possibilities.

A copy of the mariage to Christopher would give her age, and her Father's name which would help, also should give her widowed name and maiden name. Ethel.

Stella

Stella Report 5 Jul 2009 21:33

Thank you for responding so quickly. I shall certainly have to make a trip to London to look up the Hackney records.
In the 1911 census, which I paid to see, Hilda has recorded 3 children in the 'Children Living' column but only put down Russell and Llewellyn,so who the third one is is a complete mystery! My dad wasn't born until 4 years later. She also says she was a widow but I don't think that is true. On my dad's birth certificate his father is Frank Nash and his occupation, a dock clerk. As my dad was born in Bow I presume he worked in one of the London Docks. I have been unable to find a marriage for Hilda and Frank. so he may have been the father of at least one of the sons?
According to the records of the Board of Guardians Frank abandoned my dad in 1920, 2 years after Hilda died. Unfortunately my dad was too young to remember where or with whom he lived during those 2 years. I do have her death certificate but Frank is not mentioned as being present, just her husband and an admiralty clerk for his occupation. Her mother was E J Winder.She obviously married again after her husband Paul Ward died but I have no confirmation of that.
Russell is recorded as being born in Kilburn, London in 1900 not Hendon which is 11 miles from Hendon so I do not think that Russell Watson could be him although I think Hilda may have been rather economical with the truth on several occasions!

Ethel

Ethel Report 5 Jul 2009 20:46

Hi Stella. I have found the registration of Hilda's death and she is shown as Hilda Nash. registered 1918 Jan/March Qtr. Chelsea. vol 1a 512.aged 42
and Thomas was registered as
Thomas P Nash. 1915. April/June Qtr. Reg in Poplar. vol 1c 837 Mother Ward. This in only normally shown like this if there was a marriage.

I have tried to find one but not successful up to now but will have a further look.

Have not managed to find Russell,, and he should be on the 1901 census.

When you found the family on the 1911 you say there were three children. Who was the third as Thomas was not born then.????
Without paying for some units I cannot get the full print out, which would show where she was born, ie Pimlico,

I can find a Russell Watson Ward born 1900 April/June Qtr. reg in Hendon. vol 3a 217. May not connect.

Ethel.

Stella

Stella Report 5 Jul 2009 19:47

For many years I have been searching for my grandmother, Hilda Ward , born 1876 in Pimlico, London. At the time of the 1911 census she had 3 children. Two sons are recorded as Russell, born 1900 and Llewellyn Davies born 1902 in Hackney Infirmary. Llewellyn had no father recorded on his birth certificate. As far as I can make out Hilda never married and went on to have my father, Thomas Nash in 1915. When Hilda died in 1918 my father was taken into the care of the Board of Guardians and never met any of his family ever again. What happened to his brothers and who was the other child Hilda had? Thank you to any one who can shed any light on this mystery.