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Hi Janet,

That last one looks quite interesting. I don't think I would have thought of looking at Jonathon instead of John. Is there any chance of looking at the 1851 for Henry (re my first post) or did you look and not find him? Hope I'm not asking too much.

Alison

This one is interesting. I decided to search for Jonathan as it is a little less common than Ann, and came up with this. I know it is Pittington, but the names we know of match with your Shadwell family, and what is more the mother is Isabella which strongly suggests they are the same. As Pittington comes under Sherburn it is quite possible. And it is the only Jonathan I can find in Durham!

1841 England Census
about Jonathan Hall
Name: Jonathan Hall
Age: 1
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1840
Gender: Male
Where born: Durham, England

Civil parish: Pittington
Hundred: Easington (South Division)
County/Island: Durham

Registration district: Durham and Lanchester
Sub-registration district: St Nicholas
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
John Hall 35
Isabella Hall 30
James Hall 12
Jane Hall 10
Ann Hall 8
Thomas Hall 5
John Hall 3
Jonathan Hall 1

What do you think?

Jan

Thanks Janet,

Do you reckon that you might be able to do a check of the 1841 census for me for Ann? She'd be 11 or 6, I thought her mother's name might be listed on it. I'll also check into the idea of a married sister.

Thanks,
Alison

That seems a good option to me. Re. witnesses - I would just check if there is a female witness who might be a married sister of either person. This has happened to me and although a bit complicated did confirm I had the right family.
Might be worth getting Isabella's birth cert once you are sure you have the right people (age is a bit out but nothing new there):

Births Mar 1846
Hall Isabella Durham &c 24 95


Jan

Thanks Andy and Janet, I have something more to go on now.

Janet, on the marriage certificate for Henry and Ann, Ann's age is really hard to read, as far as I can tell it's either 26 years or 21 years meaning that in 1851 she was either about 21 or 16 years old. I think the first census that both you and Andy gave me is the right Ann. I'm basing that on the civil parish being Shadforth because that's where Henry and Ann were married.

I just checked the witnesses too but they don't appear to be related.

Alison

And again! Alison, why is Ann's birth year so wide? Is it that the marriage cert says "of age"? If you have her marriage cert, who are the witnesses? Might offer a clue to other family members.
Jan


1851 England Census
about Ann Hall
Name: Ann Hall
Age: 13
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1838
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Mary
Gender: Female
Where born: Gateshead, Durham, England

Civil parish: Winlaton St Cuthbert
County/Island: Durham

Registration district: Gateshead
Sub-registration district: Whickham

Household schedule number: 90
Household Members:
Name Age
John Hall 55
Mary Hall 53
Ann Hall 13
Mary A Hall 8
Margeret Ainsworth 5

Also John coal miner:

1851 England Census
about Ann Hall
Name: Ann Hall
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1836
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Ann
Gender: Female
Where born: Pittington, Durham, England

Civil parish: Pittington
County/Island: Durham

Sub-registration district: St Nicholas
ED, institution, or vessel: 10d
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 37
Household Members:
Name Age
John Hall 43
Ann Hall 47
John Hall 20
Ann Hall 15
Robert Hall 13
Jane Hall 11
Elizabeth Hall 8
Mary Hall 4
John Hall 77

Jan

Sorry Alyson, I see Durham is in the heading - always forget to look there!


1851 England Census
about Ann Hall
Name: Ann Hall
Age: 17
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1834
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: John
Gender: Female
Where born: Sherburn, Durham, England

Civil parish: Shadforth
County/Island: Durham

Occupation:
Registration district: Durham(Street Indexed)
Sub-registration district: St Nicholas
ED, institution, or vessel: 11b
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 45
Household Members:
Name Age
John Hall 50
James Hall 23
Thomas Hall 15
Jonathan Hall 12
John Hall 5
Ann Hall 17
Isabella Hall 8

John is a coal miner.

Jan

Possible for Ann

1851 England Census
about Ann Hall
Name: Ann Hall
Age: 17
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1834
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: John
Gender: Female
Where born: Sherburn, Durham, England

Civil parish: Shadforth
County/Island: Durham
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View image

Registration district: Durham(Street Indexed)
Sub-registration district: St Nicholas
ED, institution, or vessel: 11b
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 45
Household Members: Name Age
John Hall 50 Widow, Coalminer
James Hall 23
Thomas Hall 15
Jonathan Hall 12
John Hall 5
Ann Hall 17
Isabella Hall 8

Andy

Sorry, I believe it's county Durham

Would anyone be able to look at the 1851 census for me for the following?

Henry Hall age approx 21yrs
Father's name - William Hall
Father's occupation- Husbandman (or something similar)
Residence - Sherburn Mill (or Hill)

Also
Ann Hall age approx 21yrs or 16yrs
Father's name - John Hall
Father's occupation - miner
Residence Sherburn Pit Row

Thanks in anticipation,

Alison