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looking for birth of a mary williams born 1847 -1846 unsure i do know that on the 1911 census it states that she was born in llanfair wales i gather this is close to bangor as on all other census she states bangor i do know her father is a william williams master mariner from marriage cert only info i have missing is her start in life every thing else i have many thanks ..... also know her family disowned her as married beneath her and her father was high up in the military of that time any info on how to follow this lead would help to ......

In 1911, is she with a husband or children or other family members?

Do you have her childrens' names and DOBs, and do you have her on other censuses?

You know her husband's name becuse you have the marriage certificate. Info about him could help to place her in time and space before the marriage possibly. His name, the date and place of marriage ...

It's always best to give all the info you have. Because things like censuses can give hints, people will go off looking for it, which would be kind of a waste of time if you already have it.



1881

Name: William Williams
Age: 53
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1828
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary
Where born: Nevin, Caernarvonshire, Wales

>> Occupation: Mariner

Civil parish: Llanfair Is Gaer
County/Island: Caernarvonshire
Country: Wales
Street Address: 76 Bangor Street (Menaifron House)

Registration district: Carnarvon
Sub-registration district: Llanrug
ED, institution, or vessel: 3

William Williams 53
Mary Williams 53
Ann Williams 15
George Milnez 27


If you have any better luck identifying that William and Mary in earlier censuses, you'll be doing better than me!

1881 is the only census searchable by occupation at Ancestry, and he's the only one found. Your William could have been deceased by then, of course. Maybe the marriage certificate you have specifies ...


edit - oh well - 1861:

Name: Mary Williams
Age: 37
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1824
Relation: Head
Where born: Nevin, Caernarvonshire, Wales

Occupation: Mariner's wife

Civil Parish or Township: Nevin
Town: Morfa
County/Island: Caernarvonshire
Country: Wales

Mary Williams 37
Ann Williams 16
Elizabeth Williams 9
John Williams 3
Robert Williams 1

No daughter Mary. Although a daughter 15ish could have been out working ...

thanks for all that info ,it is like looking for a needle in a hay sack i know she was married in 1875 and living in kent by then all i am missing is her were abouts 1851 1861 . from her marriage cert father not stated as dead ,on all census apart form 1911 she states bangor as place of birth on 1911 it is llanfair, witch makes sence as my nan her grandaughter said she lived out side bangor but if i do find her i will let you know once again many thanks for all your help lindsey.....

Well, I had to find her married surname for myself, so I did.

1911

Mary in Kent born in Llanfair 1847 +/- 3 years.

WILKINSON MARY 1846 65 Bromley Kent

-- so, looking for people living with her, this would be her husband?

WILKINSON JOHN M 1847 64 Bromley Kent


1901

Name: Mary Wilkinson
Age: 51
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: John
Where born: Banger, Wales

Civil parish: West Wickham
Ecclesiastical parish: St John the Baptist
Town: West Wickham
County/Island: Kent

John Wilkinson 51- born West Wickham, Kent - general labourer
Mary Wilkinson 51
Caroline Wilkinson 24 - born West Wickham, Kent
John Wilkinson 20
James Wilkinson 18
Frank Wilkinson 13
Emily Wilkinson 7


This is the marriage?

Marriages Jun 1875
FURNESS Hannah Poplar 1c 1065
Silvers Thomas Poplar 1c 1065
> Wilkinson John William Poplar 1c 1065
> WILLIAMS Mary Poplar 1c 1065

Births Jun 1877
WILKINSON Caroline Bromley 2a 344


You are looking for her in 1851-61, so you must have her in 1871.
In Wales? In Kent?


John W Wilkinson was in West Wickham, Kent, Bromley reg dist in 1871 with his parents. The eldest daughter in 1901 was born in Bromley reg dist. If they married in Poplar, perhaps it's because Mary and her family were living there ... but if you know where Mary was in 1871, you're not telling.

Would have liked to help, but the available and possibly essential info just hasn't been given, all along!


Have you looked at this fellow in 1871?

Name: William Williams
Age: 49
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1822
Relation: Master
Gender: Male
Where born: Llanfair, Caernarvonshire, Wales
Civil parish: Vessels
Town: Harbour Falmouth
County/Island: Cornwall
ED, institution, or vessel: Penman Castle

This looks like the same fellow in 1861:

Name: William Williams
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821
Relation: Master
Gender: Male
Where born: Llanfair, Caernarvonshire, Wales

Civil parish: Vessels
Town: Shields Bar
County/Island: Misc Ships At Sea or Abroad
ED, institution, or vessel: Adonis (2)


I might take a look at him.

my error not got her 1871 but you are good it took me months to find her marriage as we did not know where they married.Have thought of mary and family may of lived poplar or area as father may of traveled with work but had no luck. and i had not come across last gentleman that seems one of the best leads by far. mary and john had 8 children sadly one died as a baby and two of her sons killed in ww1 leaving only my grandfather john i know emily never left home and is buried with her parents.you have been great help and once again many thanks lindsey....

you are good once again fingers crossed i might be on the last few threads of the ladder , i can not wait to tell my nan who is 94 as i am doing this for her as mary did not die until 1936 and my nan was very fond of her and can remember her speaking to her in welsh. will have a try at that 1871 census now and see if he home and has a mary i can not thank you enough janey ,sorry if you thought i was keeping info back just had some not so good contacts before even been told john was a bigamist and she was quite rude that my info was wrong. many thanks lindsey.

That William does look promising, I have to say!

I definitely agree about not offering iffy info as if it were gospel, but it's still nice to know what info there is. ;)

About bigamists -- John may not have been one, but you can bet you've got one in your tree somewhere. Not formally bigamy probably -- but it was tremendously common for estranged spouses to form new households with new partners and represent themselves as married. No divorce for the masses, after all.


If you could find another Mary in 51 or 61 with a mother who was a mariner's wife ...

Happy hunting, and keep us posted!