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Avryll Report 28 Jul 2009 03:28

Looking for family of Johnston Lawrence, Bricklayer, who married Elsie Stoker....she was born 22.11.1911 died 8.2.1886 in Aylesbury....lived at 15 Hilton Avenue, prior to that 34 Belgrave Road. Looking for descendants quite urgently, half sister of Elsie still alive, hoping to make contact with possible nephews and nieces. Elsie Stoker is daughter of John George Stoker 1882 and Elsie Long 1887, married Colchester 1907. John George is my grandfather.
Any info would be appreciated...just stuck on where to look next.


Julcoe Report 28 Jul 2009 04:10

Could not find a Stoker - Lawrence marriage but...

England & Wales, Marriage Index: 1916-2005 about Johnston M Lawrence
Name: Johnston M Lawrence
Spouse Surname: Meech <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<Elsie
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1953
Registration district: Kensington
Registration county (inferred): Middlesex
Volume Number: 5c
Page Number: 2450

England & Wales, Marriage Index: 1916-2005 about Elsie Stoker
Name: Elsie Stoker
Spouse Surname: Meech <<<<<<<<<<<<<< William J
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1937
Registration district: Willesden
Registration county (inferred): Middlesex
Volume Number: 3a
Page Number: 1610

Could this be your Elsie

Could not find children of either marriage


Julcoe Report 28 Jul 2009 04:15

Do you have Elsie's death certificate ?
The informant may be a family member that you could find on the electoral roll (

England & Wales, Death Index: 1984-2005 about Elsie Lawrence
Name: Elsie Lawrence
Birth Date: 22 Aug 1911
Death Registration Month/Year: Feb 1986
Age at death (estimated): 74
Registration district: Aylesbury Vale
Inferred County: Buckinghamshire
Volume: 19
Page: 1109


Quinsgran Report 28 Jul 2009 05:11

1911 census.
Robert Edward Lawrence 1886.
Alvina 1865 Lawrence
Johnston James Lawrence 1888
Emily Jane Lawrence 1893
William Lawrence 1896
Joseph Lawrence 1899.

living Chesterfield Derbyshire


Avryll Report 6 Aug 2009 03:06

Hello Quinsgran.....thanks for the 1911 census infrmation. Johnston Lawrence must have been considerably older than Elsie who was brn 1911.......wish i could find some chidren for Johnson and Esie......
Thanks for all the research and help folks...


Avryll Report 9 Aug 2009 13:07

Gosh, thanks for that info...I never supposed that Elsie might have married twice, will try and find some Meech offspring. Wonder whether Mr. Meech died in WW2......that was great help.....thanks again


Avryll Report 25 Aug 2009 12:21

Thanks for all the info....have been waiting for the marriage cert of Elsie Meech (nee Stoker) to JOHNSTON McDONALD get an idea of his age......but even with the information cannot find any info on him or his family. The marriage cert shows that he is much younger than originally thought,
Marriage cert records,
March 28th 1975 All Saints Church, Notting Hill, C/E Banns
Aged 46 Occupation Bricklayer,
Address: 24 Lancaster Road,
Father: Graham Booth Lawrence Deceased. Engineer

My grandfather John George Stoker was witness.

Any info would be appreciated.


rootgatherer Report 25 Aug 2009 12:56

Am I missing something here?

The marriage Julie posted for Johnston and Elsie took place in 1953. So what relationship is Johnston (married in 1975) to Johnston and Elsie (married 1953)? He can't be their son as his father is Graham.

Sorry, I'm lost here. Perhaps I need some lunch to get the brain going.

Did Johnston and Elsie have children? Is it their children you are looking for or children from Elsie's first marriage?


Julcoe Report 25 Aug 2009 14:24

There is not a marriage for a Johnston M Lawrence in 1975, so hopefully that was just a typing error.

John George Stoker was Elsie's father.

So, if the marriage was in 1953 and he was 46yrs old, then his birth was about 1907.
There is no birth registration for a Johnston (M) Lawrence at that time.

Could he have been born elsewhere ?
Like Scotland ..?

There is also no record of him on the 1911 census, nor his father.


Avryll Report 27 Aug 2009 13:31

Thanks rootgatherer and Julie.........Before Else married the elusive Johnston Lawrence in 1953 she married William Meech in 1937.....can only presume William was killed WW2.....hoping to find a child from that marriage, and relatives of Johnston Lawrence, for any family information about Elsie.
Elsie was part of the first Stoker family, which my clever Grandfather John George Stoker managed to maintain with a large overlap, with the second Stoker family, without either family realising another existed. .........We are hoping that relatives might have family information..........will try to look through the Scottish records for 1907........GR does not seem to have any treeholders of this line at all.
Thanks everyone, Avryll