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I think I maybe having problems with James Hall, his marriage and children.

In the 1871 census I have James Hall married to Martha Hall with 7 children:
Alfred Hall (1869)
Ellen Hall (1867)
Florence Hall (1865)
Laura Hall (1863)
George Hall (1860)
Henry Hall (1857)
William Hall (1853)

The 3 youngest were born in Cardiff and the 4 oldest in Somersetshire. However I can't find any of their births - is it possible the kids weren't James'? And therefore had different surnames at birth?

Can anyone offer some advice here?
Thanks

For ref

1871 Wales Census
about Florence Hall
Name: Florence Hall
Age: 6
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1865
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: James
Mother's Name: Martha
Gender: Female
Where born: St Andrews, Glamorgan, Wales
Civil parish: St Andrew
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales
Registration district: Cardiff
Sub-registration district: St Nicholas
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Household schedule number: 27
Household Members: Name Age
James Hall 50 >>>>born Kingston Martha Hall 46 >>>>born Somerset
William Hall 18
Henery Hall 14
George Hall 11
Laura Hall 8
Florence Hall 6
Ellen Hall 4
Alfred Hall 2

Found this family in 1861. Off to see if I can find them in 1871 to rule them out or see if I can find a death for Andrew & marriage for Martha & James.

1861 England Census
about William Chidgey
Name: William Chidgey
Age: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1853
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Andrew
Mother's Name: Martha
Gender: Male
Where born: Kingston, Somerset, England

Civil parish: Kingston
County/Island: Somerset
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Taunton
Sub-registration district: Taunton St James
ED, institution, or vessel: 14c
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 7
Household Members: Name Age
Andrew Chidgey 39
Martha Chidgey 33
Emily Chidgey 10
William Chidgey 8
Henery Chidgey 4
George Chidgey 1


Cant see the family in 1871 but they are in 1851 with baby Emily & two older children John 4 & Eliza 2.

Will dig around for more.


EDIT
Andrew & Martha married in 1845. Martha's Maiden name was Tucker.

Possible birth registration for Alfred Hall

Births Jun 1869 (>99%)
HALL Alfred Cardiff 11a 276

This may be Ellen - Newport is just up the road from Cardiff

Births Dec 1867 (>99%)
Hall Ellen Jane Newport, M. 11a 186

Chrisa - that's brilliant.
In 1871 I have the family, hence why you can't find them under Chidgey.

Thank you!

I've just had an exciting message from someone regarding my tree - the 2 families are indeed the same people. They fled Somerset after 'James Hall' was accused of sheep stealing. He then went on to change names.

I've even found further children they had!

Thanks for all your help everyone.

I still can't find a death for Andrew Chidgey or a marriage between James & a Martha Chidgey to tie the two families together but I'll keep looking a bit longer for you.

Well that would explain why Andrew Chidgey just disappears!

I found Andrew back to 1841 if you want the details.

Just found this

England & Wales, Criminal Registers, 1791-1892
about Andrew Chidgey
Name: Andrew Chidgey
Age: 26
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1822
Date of Trial: 4 Aug 1848
Trial Year: 1848
Location of Trial: Somerset, England
Sentence: Imprisonment

Will check the image to see what he did

EDIT 6 months for Larceny

What is larceny?

This is all great help - thank you!

Larceny is theft. Unfortunately the image gives no more infi regarding what he was accused of stealing. The whole page is full of people in court for Larceny.