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MatMorrisParker
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8 Aug 2009 23:19 |
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Hi all, In very early stages, its already getting difficult on the other side of the tree. My father's father, Ray Parker died 1st September 1999. He was born in Llanhilleth, Abertillery, Wales in approximately 1921. His actual age and year of birth are unknown as he lied about his age.
He married Gwyneth Roseblade who was born in 1921, and his father is a Frederick Charles Parker, but again no information is known. His mother's name is unknown.
I've tried searching FreeBMD, but the death has to be "Before 1984", which it's not. The marriage date is unknown and there are no records for a Roseblade and Parker between 1920 and 1980.
Hope I've given enough information there to try and find a starting point. Any information about where I can start would be fantastic.
Look forward to reading the replies.
Thanks Mathew
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AnnCardiff
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8 Aug 2009 23:26 |
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1881 - here's a likely connection - Abertillery and Bedwellty are both in Gwent and this is an unusual surname
Frederick ROSEBLADE Head M Male 30 Ashton, Wiltshire, England Signalman On a Railway Amy ROSEBLADE Wife M Female 30 Ashton, Wiltshire, England Frederick John ROSEBLADE Son Male 7 Talybont, Brecknock, Wales Scholar William George ROSEBLADE Son Male 5 Great Malvern Scholar Minnie ROSEBLADE Daur Female 3 Walsall, Stafford, England Scholar Francis Edgar ROSEBLADE Son Male 1 Walsall, Stafford, England Hannah DUGGAN Visitor M Female 59 Brecknock, Wales Millers Wife
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Source Information: Dwelling 10 Park Place Census Place Bedwellty, Monmouth, Wales Family History Library Film 1342262 Public Records Office Reference RG11 Piece / Folio 5243 / 106 Page Number 11
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8 Aug 2009 23:28 |
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Gwyneth Roseblade and Raymond Parker married JAS 1939 Bedwelty, Monmouthshire (11a233). I hope you can find some more details on the marriage certificate.
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MatMorrisParker
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8 Aug 2009 23:29 |
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[Anne] Thanks for that, but I'm looking for Ray Parker's family rather than Gwyneth Roseblade's. Thanks any way though - gives me a starting point on the other side!
[Dal] That's great! A good starting point I hope. I'll see what I can do and make of it. Thanks. How'd you manage to find that?
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AnnCardiff
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8 Aug 2009 23:32 |
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looking at the census it seems most Roseblade's originated in Wiltshire
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Pam
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8 Aug 2009 23:32 |
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Surname First name(s) Mother District Vol Page
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Births Dec 1918 (98%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Parker Raymond Healey Bedwellty 11a 196
Probably this one as Bedwellty covers Abertillary -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Births Sep 1921 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Parker Raymond Davies Neath 11a 2103
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Births Dec 1921 (>99%) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Parker Raymond Davies Pontypool 11a 333
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AnnCardiff
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8 Aug 2009 23:34 |
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Surname: Roseblade Recorded in several spellings including Roseblade, Roseblead, and Rosblade, this is an English surname probably of Elizabethan origins. Today there would seem to be many more nameholders in the USA, and recent research suggests that there are only about twenty families in the British Isles. The make up of the name implies that it was locational from a place called Roseblade. English compound surnames commencing with "Rose" usually refer to a person originally from a place or places such as Roseberry in the county of Yorkshire, Rosegrove in Lancashire, Rosehill in Cheshire, and many more. However no place called Roseblade or similar has been found in any of the known gazetters of England for the past three centuries. This is not unusual, since the 15th century an estimated five thousand villages have completely disappeared, usually leaving the surname as the only surviving public memory. To add to the confusion the prefix Rose on a place name generally referred not too rose trees or bushes as they were everywhere, but a derivative of the Viking word "hross" meaning a horse, and hence described a stud farm. Rose Hill as an example, being a horse farm on the hill. Interestingly our research has shown that the village of Bladen in Oxfordshire is recorded as Blade in the famous Domesday Book of England in 1086. This may have been because it stood on a bend of the river shaped like a shoulder blade, or perhaps was shiny like a blade. If so the meaning of Roseblade may have been a horse farm by a river. Sample church recordings include Lanselot Roseblade, christened at Staines in Middlesex, on January 6th 1670, and Elizabeth Roseblead, who married one Edward Meads at the church of St Clement Danes, Westminster, on January 1st 1784.
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8 Aug 2009 23:35 |
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You need to buy the marriage cert for his age and fathers details
marriage
Name: Raymond Parker Spouse Gwyneth Roseblade Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1939 Registration district: Bedwellty Registration county (inferred): Monmouthshire Volume Number: 11a Page Number: 233
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8 Aug 2009 23:38 |
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possible births
Name: Raymond Parker Mother's Maiden Surname: Davies Date of Registration: Oct Nov Dec 1921 Registration district: Pontypool Registration county: Wales Volume Number: 11a Page Number: 333
Llanhilleth is in Registration District Pontypool 1837 to1935
Name: Raymond Parker Mother's Maiden Surname: Davies Date of Registration: Jul Aug Sep 1921 Registration district: Neath Registration county: Wales Volume Number: 11a Page Number: 2103
Name: Raymond Parker Mother's Maiden Surname: Healey Date of Registration: Oct Nov Dec 1918 Registration district: Bedwellty Registration county: Wales Volume Number: 11a Page Number: 196
Abertillery is in Registration district: Bedwellty 1894 to 1974
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MatMorrisParker
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8 Aug 2009 23:45 |
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Thanks all, I did miss one vital thing which my dad forgot to tell me. His birthday was in October!
Having taken a look at FreeBMD, it was also noted that Llanhilleth, the supposed place of birth of Raymond Parker, was indeed in Pontypool, but now under Bedwellty. The boundaries had moved in 1935 meaning that at his time of birth, they would be in a different place. My dad who is also from the same area, was registered at Bedwellty, which obviously caused a little bit of confusion.
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MatMorrisParker
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8 Aug 2009 23:48 |
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Raymond's father's name was Frederick Charles Parker but year of birth or death are unknown
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9 Aug 2009 09:31 |
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Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marriages Sep 1910 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Knock John Pontypool 11a 278 Morgan Ellen G Pontypool 11a 278 Parker Frederick C Pontypool 11a 278 Yemm Elizabeth A Pontypool 11a 278 Zemm Elizabeth A Pontypool 11a 278
....but that doesn't tie in with the Pontypool birth !!!!
Maybe a second marriage for the spouse.
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MatMorrisParker
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9 Aug 2009 13:58 |
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Thanks all.
After finding the birth record for Ray Parker, the birth certificate has been ordered. Will see what this brings up!
Thanks, once again.
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Dal
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9 Aug 2009 16:19 |
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You may find the marriage certificate has some unexpected extras too - every wedding has two witnesses, these are often other family members.
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MatMorrisParker
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10 Aug 2009 11:50 |
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Thanks! I never thought of that. That will be the next one on order
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