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Elvira Williams Llantrisant

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Amanda

Amanda Report 30 Aug 2009 20:34

Elvira Williams b.c.1830 is listed in 1891 census as servant to James Herbert. In 1901 census they disappear and I find an Elvira Herbert b.c.1830. What I'm trying to work out is this: Elvira was an unmarried washer woman with many children and her childrens' (all Williams) d.o.bs correspond to my Herbert family (Naomi, Evan, Mary etc - my Herberts, her Williams). It therefore seems likely that Elvira changed her family name to Herbert (can't find marriage) in her 60s just before or after James died.
What would be the reason for this?
Has anyone got any light to shed on this lady?

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 30 Aug 2009 21:09

1881

David WILLIAMS Head M Male 54 Llantwit Vadre, Glamorgan, Wales Mine Filler Iron Works
Elvira WILLIAMS Wife M Female 51 Llantrisant, Glamorgan, Wales
David WILLIAMS Son U Male 15 Treforest, Glamorgan, Wales Filler Of Mine At Iron Works
Evan WILLIAMS Son U Male 13 Treforest, Glamorgan, Wales Mine Filler Iron Works
Ann WILLIAMS Daur U Female 18 Treforest, Glamorgan, Wales Charwoman
Mary MOISE Daur M Female 26 Treforest, Glamorgan, Wales
Elvira Ann MOISE Daur Female 11 m Treforest, Glamorgan, Wales


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Source Information:
Dwelling 12 Tramroad Side
Census Place Llantwit Vairdre, Glamorgan, Wales
Family History Library Film 1342275
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 5299 / 64
Page Number 50

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 30 Aug 2009 21:11

Pentyrch and Llantrisant are quite close to each other

Elvira Williams Pedigree
Female


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Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 06 MAY 1830 Pentyrch, Glamorgan, Wales

Death:
Burial:


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Parents:
Father: Thomas Williams Family
Mother: Mrs. Thomas Williams


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Messages:
Record submitted by a member of the LDS Church. The record often shows the name of the individual and his or her relationship to a descendant, shown as the heir, family representative, or relative. The original records are not indexed, and you may have to look at the film frame-by-frame to find the information you want. A family group record for this couple may be in the Family Group Record Collection; Archive Section. (See the Family History Library Catalog for the film number.) These records are alphabetical by name of the father or husband.

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 30 Aug 2009 21:13

1881

John LLEWELLYN Head M Male 37 Cowbridge, Glamorgan, Wales Chemist And Druggist
Alice LLEWELLYN Wife M Female 26 Llantwit Major, Glamorgan, Wales
Thomas L. LLEWELLYN Son Male 2 Cowbridge, Glamorgan, Wales
Gwladys LLEWELLYN Daur Female 9 m Cowbridge, Glamorgan, Wales
Daniel THOMAS Assistant U Male 20 Castellan, Pembroke, Wales Chemists Assistant
Margaret PHILLIPS Serv U Female 18 Lansannor, Glamorgan, Wales General Serv
Naomi HERBERT Serv U Female 16 Llantrissent, Glamorgan, Wales Nurse


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Source Information:
Dwelling High Street
Census Place Cowbridge, Glamorgan, Wales
Family History Library Film 1342283
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 5329 / 9
Page Number 11

Eric

Eric Report 30 Aug 2009 21:21

in 1871 it was the other way arpound

james herbert was a boarder in the williams household


1871 Wales Census
about James Herbert
Name: James Herbert
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1831
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Male
Where born: Llantrisant, Glamorgan, Wales
Civil parish: Llantrisant
Town: Llantrisant
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales
Registration district: Pontypridd
Sub-registration district: Llantrisant
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Household schedule number: 87
Household Members:
Name Age
Elvira Williams 40
Richard Williams 18
Mary Ann Williams 13
Thomas Williams 11
Evan Williams 9
Naomi Williams 7
Margaret Williams 3
James Herbert 40