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Hi

It's ok , I've now got all the information on this that I need on this, thanks for all your help

Brian.

Yes Janey, that is the information that I was trying to get from Mozart1!!!!

Really without that it is impossible to have any hope of identifying the correct Charles in earlier census records.

Finding records of the house may not be much help if it was leased or rented the records may only show the name of the landlord or owner.

Instead of people prying out info drip by drop, can you just give the info on the marriage certificate?

Charles's occupation.
Occupation of his father Evan.
Name and occupation of Charles's wife's father.
Witnesses' names.


(edited - got my Charles and Robert mixed up)

Yes Evan Roberts is the father.

You have the marriage certificate, apparently.
Evan Roberts is the father's name on it?

No, not yet as there are a number of possibilities of which one he is one, Evan Roberts. Not certain which Evan.

Between 1901 and 1891 is when Charles may have taken over the house
and if it was his father who was living there it would be shown but I can't find anything.

So, what was his father's name and occupation on the certificate?

Your original request on this thread was "Trying to find who was the father of Charles Roberts born 1864". Have you found his father? Have you found Charles himself on any census records prior to his marriage?

Hi
I have a copy that just says Llynclys Hill Oswestry
and there are a dozen cottages on the Hill.

Have you bought Charles and Elizabeth's marriage certificate/

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.asp?wci=results&bsk=1342086
http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.asp?wci=thread&tk=1182112

Wise to take the advice there, delete that thread (people who do the family history searches here don't generally spend time on the Chat board), post a thread on Records, and note that in this thread.

If this thread is relevant to the question, you could include the URL for this thread in a post on Records:

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.asp?wci=thread&tk=1181719

Is there a way of finding out who lived at Laural Cottage, Llynclus Hill, Llanyblodwell,Oswestry in 1895?
In other words in between the Census dates
1891 and 1901?

Sorry everyone.

Regards
Brian

And ... again ...

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.asp?wci=thread&tk=1177252

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.asp?wci=thread&tk=1176336

Oh my, that one's been deleted. What Dea said about it in the first thread linked above:

I 'feel another thread' is on this family.
I have looked into this before.
If so, could you please post a link to your original thread where I feel sure there is more info already found?
Thanks,
Dea x

What alviegal said:

Why are you asking again Brian for information that has already been found for you.
It just wastes everyone's time. Please read everything on your other thread.

What I said:

If you want to pursue this, Brian, you had better go back to your existing thread about the family, where all the work was done to find info for you, and where all that info is.
The board rule is One Post Per Topic. You'd be wise to apologize for wasting time in this thread, too.


and instead, you just deleted all the work people had done.

I think you will find people grow tired of this soon.

And then there's this:

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.asp?wci=thread&tk=1179099

and this:

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.asp?wci=thread&tk=1180798


No, Brian, they aren't unrelated topics. They are people who married each other. And other members here will continue to go looking for info that you already have, every time you post a new question about one of them and do not provide the info you already have.

I wonder if this is Charles Alfred listed as Alfred Charles in 1881?

Name: Alfred Charles Roberts
Age: 16
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1865
Relation: Grandson
Gender: Male
Where born: Dawley, Shropshire, England

Civil parish: Dawley
County/Island: Shropshire
Country: England

Street Address: Horsehay Pottery
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Labourer

Registration district: Madeley
Sub-registration district: Dawley
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Jane Edwards 54
Alfred Charles Roberts 16




Again - what name does he give for his father on the marriage certificate to Elizabeth?

CHARLES ALFRED ROBERTS Pedigree
Male


Christening: 02 OCT 1864 Little Dawley, Shropshire, England
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Parents:
Mother: SARAH ANN ROBERTS Family


Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record.

England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1915
about Elizabeth Roberts
Name: Elizabeth Roberts
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1867
Year of Registration: 1895
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at Death: 28
District: Oswestry
County: Denbighshire, Shropshire
Volume: 6a
Page: 587

Yes, that's what confused me. There doesn't appear to be anything on earlier Census's with 1864 birth, or even 1862 or 1865 that you can say is definitely him.

Thank you all anyway.

1891 Census for reference

Name: Charles Roberts
Age: 27
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1864
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Male
Where born: Oswestry, Shropshire, England

Civil parish: Llanyblodwell
Ecclesiastical parish: Llanyblodwell
County/Island: Shropshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Oswestry
Sub-registration district: Llansilin
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Roberts 27
Elizabeth Roberts 25 b. Oswestry
John Roberts 3



1901

Name: Charles Roberts
Age: 37
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1864
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Oswestry, Shropshire, England

Civil parish: Llanyblodwel
Ecclesiastical parish: Llanyblodwel
County/Island: Shropshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Oswestry
Sub-registration district: Llansilin
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 29
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Roberts 37
John Roberts 13
Charles Roberts 5



These seem to be the only census that have a Charles Roberts b 8164, Oswestry so either his birth year or place of birth is different in earlier census.

I'm sure you have this but it is helpful to those trying to assist you.

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Jun 1884 (>99%)
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Roberts Charles Oswestry 6a 1304
Tannatt Elizabeth Oswestry 6a 1304




So on that marriage certificate what is his father's name and occupation and is he still alive or deceased?

He married a Elizabeth Tannatt yet on the 1901 Census he claimed to be a Widower yet according to my research and others who have helped, his wife was apparently still alive and ther's no record of a second marriage. I would really like to find out though who his father was,
might have been Edward, Evan or even Thomas, once again we're not sure.

You presumably know the name of the mother of his children? Did he marry her?