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was a police constable in Northumberland.known to be listed as deceased prior to 1935 .daughter named hilda mary

Surname would be useful

surname is Watson

I'm assuming that this is his daughter's marriage and he was lsited as deceased on the cert??
How old was she when she married?

Hilda M Watson
Spouse Surname: Bradley
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1935
Registration district: Stockton
Registration county (inferred): Durham
Volume Number: 10a
Page Number: 196

Hi Alan
Have you any dates for William ? Have you found him on any census ?

Is this him on 1901 census

Name: William Watson
Age: 41
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Agnes
Gender: Male
Where born: Lilburn, Northumberland, England

Civil parish: Hexham
Ecclesiastical parish: Hexham
Town: Hexham
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England

Street Address: POLICE BUILDINGS

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Hexham
Sub-registration district: Hexham
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 7
Household Members:
Name Age
William Watson 41--- Sargent of Police
Agnes Watson 40
Francis Watson 12
Ethel Watson 10
James Spence Watson 7
Norman Watson 3
James Todd 49
Ann Todd 50
James Martin 46

Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 4824; Folio: 80; Page: 1.

again in 1911


1911 Census Household Transcript
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Name: Relationship to head: Marital Status: Years married: Sex: Age in 1911: Occupation: Where born:
WATSON, WILLIAM HEAD MARRIED M 51 POLICE PENSIONER CARETAKER NORTHLD WOOLER
WATSON, AGNES WIFE MARRIED 25 F 50 SCOTLAND COLDSTREAM
WATSON, FRANCIS SON SINGLE M 22 BUTCHER NORTHD SHILBATTLE
WATSON, ETHEL DAUGHTER SINGLE F 20 SERVANT NORTHD SHILBATTLE
WATSON, JAMES SPENCE SON SINGLE M 17 APPRENTICE FITTER NORTHD FILTON
WATSON, NORMAN SON M 13 NORTHD CRAMLINGTON
SPENCE, JAMES VISITOR WIDOWER M 70 POLICE PENSIONER NORTHD MINDRUM

WATSON WILLIAM (RG14PN30879 RG78PN1765 RD560 SD3 ED9 SN258)

Address SUGLEY COURT COUNCIL SCHOOLS LEMINGTON County Northumberland
District Castle Ward Subdistrict Newburn
Enumeration District 9 Parish Sugley


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Alan Please could you give a bit of feedback --do you think this may be the right family ?
All the best
Barbara

If Hilda wasn't born yet by 1911, this looks like the best match for her birth:

Births Jun 1913
Watson Hilda M Watson Alnwick 10b 996

(Lemmington is in Alnwick reg dist) How old was she when she married, again assuming it was in 1935?

But it seems rather unlikely that Agnes would still have been having children at age 52. Also, it looks like Hilda's parents were not married, since mother's surname and child's surname are the same.

William Watson may actually have been her grandfather. Ethel would be the likely candidate to be her mother:

Births Sep 1890
Watson Ethel Alnwick 10b 408

No Ethel Watson marriage in Alnwick district.

You didn't actually ask for assistance, Alan. Maybe you would acknowledge the efforts.

Hi Alan. Please do always reply in the thread itself. Private messages mean the recipient has to go hunting for the thread to see what they're about.

You wrote:

hi Janey many thanks for info.
mum was born in 1913 on 8th April.
It is strange that on her marriage only her father is listed and deceased but was in the police.Sounds like a plot for a movie.
Also my parents would never discuss their private side of life,she had brothers and sisters -some had the name Watson and some the name Lishman.
It seems to me that her mum was not married when she was born but at a later date married a Lisman.
anyway thanks for your help.


I'm assuming that wasn't meant to be confidential - if there's any problem I will delete it from here.

So this would indeed be her birth:

Births Jun 1913
Watson Hilda M Watson Alnwick 10b 996

It would be a good idea to get her birth certificate to see who her mother was.

There are two Lishman births with mother Watson in Alnwick in the 1920s - I assume those are the siblings you refer to. ... But there is a marriage to account for them:

Marriages Dec 1925
Lishman Jamison Watson Alnwick 10b 753
Watson Isabella Lishman Alnwick 10b 753

Huh. This is the only Jamison/Jamieson Lishman in the 1911 census:

LISHMAN JAMIESON 1864 47 Alnwick Northumberland
LISHMAN CATHERINE 1864 47 Alnwick Northumberland
They married in 1886!

Deaths Mar 1924
Lishman Catherine 60 Alnwick 10b 649

Deaths Sep 1931
Lishman Jamieson 68 Alnwick 10b 438


I really would get Hilda's birth cert to see who her mother was, and then it might be possible to determine her relationship wtih William Watson.

Alan, I'm sorry, but I am being driven around the bend by people sending private messages in response to posts in threads. On top of that, the search function at this horrible site is not working it seems - searching for Lishman did not find me this thread, so I had to go ploughing through pages of "My threads" to guess what thread you were contacting me about -- and the fact that your thread is headed "william" didn't help. I already asked here -- please reply *in the thread*, not by private message.


You said (I will space it out so it's somewhat easier to read, as well -- please do hit the Enter key occasionally; a solid block of text is not easy to follow):



the name Isabella Lishman strikes a chord.

when i was a toddler my brother and i spent a lot time with a great Aunt Mary (elliot) at her guest house at 27 CastleSt Warkworth. we used to pop accross the road to Dial Place just by the church to visit granny Lishman.We never knew her Christian name but Aunt mary was always referring to Bella this and Bella that.i think that Bella was her reference to Isabella.

we know that granny Lishman eventually moved from Dial Place and went to Warkworth Ave .this was over the bridge across the Coquet and i remember the home being a prefab bungalow.

i will have to dig further.many thanks and kind regards Alan



Please do, and let us know!

Alan!!!!!! Aaaargh!

I am NOT going to carry on this conversation by private message! Not!!!

Now it may be that what you just sent me is personal info you don't want on the boards, but I don't think so.

You know how to add a post here, because you did it earlier. Click the purple REPLY button at the top and put the info in a post in the thread. Don't click on my name and send it to me!!!

From what you have just sent me, it sounds like the marriage I found is correct:

Marriages Dec 1925
Lishman Jamison Watson Alnwick 10b 753
>> Watson Isabella Lishman Alnwick 10b 753

so I would get that marriage certificate.

Births Mar 1882
Watson Isabella Alnwick 10b 350
- died 2nd quarter 1883
Births Mar 1883
Watson Isabella Alnwick 10b 385
Births Dec 1884
Watson Isabella Alnwick 10b 385
Births Sep 1885
Watson Isabella Alnwick 10b 367

Best match in 1891:

Name: Isabella Watson
Age: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1883
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Robert
Mother's Name: Mary
Where born: Alnwick, Northumberland, England

Civil parish: Alnwick

Robert Watson 39 - market gardener
Mary Watson 46
Mary Watson 10
Isabella Watson 8


Aha. In the 1911 census, this Bella was born in Alnwick:

WATSON BELLA 1883 28 Fulham London

Also in the household:

DAWSON EMMA 1864 47 Fulham London
CORPER JOSEPHINE 1856 55 Fulham London
(probably Cooper - I have Coopers, and that's a common mistranscription)

I'm not paying to view details - found them by the time-consuming hunt & peck method, working my way through the letters of the alphabet to see who was living with Bella Watson. Bella doesn't answer to servant, boarder, lodger, niece - you'd have to buy credits to see the household details. But I would guess that's her.

She was working in London, and once she became pregnant she returned home, would be my further guess. But it is just a guess!

One thing that Janey missed in the first pm she posted (possibly 'cos she's a Canuck!!):-

hi Janey many thanks for info.
mum was born in 1913 on 8th April.
It is strange that on her marriage only her father is listed and deceased but was in the police.Sounds like a plot for a movie.



I don't know where you live Alan ............ but English and Welsh marriage certificates only do show the father's name.

Mother's name is NEVER shown.


In the same way, English and Welsh death certificates do not show parents or children of the deceased.






sylvia

1911 census that Janey found

1911 census transcription details for: 48 Addison Mansions Blythe Road W
National Archive Reference:
RG14PN260 RG78PN8 RD3 SD2 ED34 SN75

Reg. District: Fulham Sub District: South Hammersmith
Parish: Hammersmith Enum. District: 34
Address: 48 Addison Mansions Blythe Road W
County: London
Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation Where Born
CORPER, Josephine Head Widow F 55 1856 Preston Lancashire
DAWSON, Emma Wife Single F 47 1864 London
WATSON, Bella Housemaid Single F 28 1883 Housemaid Domestic Alnwick Northumberland

Ta you guys!

Sylvia, I wasn't sure what Alan meant there about "only" the father's name, but it was what we got, anyhow. ;)

It doesn't figure. Isabella Watson seems to have been single when she had Hilda, and to have married for the first time to Lishman. And William doesn't seem to be Isabella's father even. And with him being deceased when Hilda married, well, maybe she'd known him as a father figure when growing up, for some reason, although he ws 53ish when she was born!