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Thanks Ginny.
Thats the last known address for my missing Tommy the Tailor Bell.
I will keep looking for him.
Richard Gustard was related via Marriage to Thomas Bells sister Mary , I think, who married Mathew Gustard,so they must have found work for him and he was living with them in 1861 .perhaps a nephew.?
Many thanks again.
Trevor. xxx

1891 census. Widow Broley is from Tyrone Ireland and the address for her and Thomas is 39 Cowpen Villiage

Ginny
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No Trever I'am not a Bell.

Maryb

Thanks Maryb. Is that b for Bell ? any link ?
Thanks everyone I have loads to work on.
Please keep it coming if you can help.
I must have some relations out there I don't know about.?
Best regards
Trevor Bell.

Should be Richard Gustard born 1843 Stannington Northumberland son of George Gustard 1797-1879 and Elizabeth Riddle 1804.

Maryb

About 6 people on here with Richard in their trees.

& Who is Richard Gustarle living with my 3g Grandfather in 1861 ?
Intrigue? sounds posh ?
A puzzle - For all you sleuths out there.
Trevor x

Wow Ginny. You have been busy.!
It took me 6 months to find some of that.
Thomas Bell was my 3G Grandfather originally from Bothal and in 1841 was a Master Tailor living in Cowpen with wife Elizabeth and son Henry.
Later they became Gardeners in the 'Cowpen Hall'.
Henry married Isabella Scott and they had 2 sons Thomas the Tailor and John Robert Bell ( my great grandfather) and they all lived in the same cottage..Isabella died before 1871. Elizabeth died in 1877.
Thos lived on until 1881 aged 88 with son Henry now 45 and the 2 sons Thos the Tailor 22 and John Robert now 18.
I did not have the 1891 info on Thomas the Tailor and yes thats him.!!!
Age 30 boarding with Ann Boley? is there an address? I wonder where he went or did he have a family later on? Kind regards
Trevor

The marriage for John and Thomas's parents

Marriages Sep 1859 (>99%)
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Bell Henry Tynemouth 10b 205
Scott Isabella Tynemouth 10B 205

Ginny
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Trevor

Found this. The head Thomas is down as father to them all so that must be a mistake by the enumerator


1861 England Census
about Thomas Bell
Name: Thomas Bell
Age: 1
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
Relation: Grandson
Father's Name: Henry
Mother's Name: Isabella
Gender: Male
Where born: Cowpen, Northumberland, England

Civil parish: Cowpen
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Tynemouth
Sub-registration district: Blyth
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 431
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Bell 58 >>>>Gardner
Elizabeth Bell 54
Henry Bell 23 >>>>>>>>Gardner
Isabella Bell 26
Thomas Bell 1
Richard Gustarle 19


1871 England Census
about Thomas Bell
Name: Thomas Bell
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861
Relation: Grandson
Father's Name: Henry
Gender: Male
Where born: Northd, Cowpen
Civil parish: Cowpen
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England
Registration district: Tynemouth
Sub-registration district: Blyth
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Household schedule number: 291
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Bell 68 >>>>>>Gardner
Elizabeth Bell 64
Henry Bell 31 >>>Gardner Married...wheres Isabella?
Thomas Bell 10
John Bell 8


1881 England Census
about Thomas Bell
Name: Thomas Bell
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1859
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Henry
Gender: Male
Where born: Horton, Northumberland, England

Civil parish: Cowpen
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England

Street Address: Cottage
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Tailor

Registration district: Tynemouth
Sub-registration district: Blyth
ED, institution, or vessel: 8a
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Bell 88>>>>>>>Gardner
Henry Bell 45 >>>>>>>>Gardner
Thomas Bell 22 >>>>>>Tailor
John Bell 18 >>>>>>>>>Coal miner


A possible for Thomas

1891 England Census
about Thomas Bell
Name: Thomas Bell
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Male
Where born: Cowden, Northumberland, England

Civil parish: Cowpen
Ecclesiastical parish: Horton
Town: Cowpen
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Tynemouth
Sub-registration district: Blyth
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Ann Broley 56
Thomas Bell 30 >>>>>>>Tailor



Ginny
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Many thanks. I was stuck and convinced John had died and never thought he may have lived on ,when his wife Eliza had remarried.
Next stop the death certs and 1911 census.
p.s Thomas Pringle Bell joined the Northumberland Fusiliers and died 12/4/1915 in Hull and buried in Hull War Cemetary.
Thomas Bell (Johns Brother) the Tailor in Cowpen is still a mystery born 5/11/1859., dont know if he had any family?
You have been a great help.
Good hunting and best regards
Trevor Bell. x x x.

Trevor

Pondering on that age difference on the 1901 census...John Bell was lodging at the house when the census was taken and I was thinking that the people he was lodging with would not have known his age so I'd say its a very good chance that it is your John.

Here are a couple of possible deaths for him. I think its a case of caughing up for more certificates at this point

Deaths Mar 1928 (91%)
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Bell John R 63 Newcastle T. 10b 163
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Deaths Jun 1931 (98%)
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Bell John R 70 Newcastle T. 10b 3

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1911 census

HOUSEHOLD BELL JOHN R Male 1866 45 Tynemouth Northumberland

Keep us up to date with any info you get.

Ginny
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Thank you.
Francis did die and Henry Tilmouth Manners married Eliza Bell (my Great Grandmother) Frances and Eliza were Pringle sisters.
Is it John Robert Bell at 4 Single Row (my Great grandfather)or did he die circa 1894/1895 prior to his 2nd son being born on 20/8/1895.
Its a mystery ? what happened to John Robert Bell and his brother Thomas Bell born 5/11/1859.
Best regards to all
Trevor Bell.

Rule out..rule in. John Bell could be a mistranscription either of age or marriage.

Too much of a coincidence not to be him but you might be right..who knows

Ginny
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That John bell says born about 1872 which is 9 years out and he is single.

Maryb

address on 1901 census for Eliza 'Pringle' - 6 Single Row, Newsham

John Bell living at 4 Single Row

Marriages Dec 1907 (>99%)
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BELL Eliza Tynemouth 10b 425
MANNERS Henry Tilmouth Tynemouth 10b 425



1911 census

HOUSEHOLD MANNERS HENRY M 1869 42 Tynemouth Northumberland
HOUSEHOLD MANNERS HENRY M 1905 6 Tynemouth Northumberland
HOUSEHOLD MANNERS ELIZA F 1867 44 Tynemouth Northumberland
HOUSEHOLD MANNERS ANNIE F 1896 15 Tynemouth Northumberland
HOUSEHOLD MANNERS CHARLES M 1894 17 Tynemouth Northumberland
HOUSEHOLD MANNERS PHOEBE F 1902 9 Tynemouth Northumberland


Henry Manners in 1901 -

1901 England Census
Name: Henry Manners
Age: 32
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Francis
Gender: Male
Where born: Blyth, Northumberland, England

Civil parish: Cowpen
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Tynemouth
Sub-registration district: Blyth
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 148
Household Members: Name Age
Henry Manners 32
Francis Manners 30
Charles Manners 7
Annie Manners 5
Thomas Manners 3


Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 4812; Folio: 146; Page: 22.


possible death of Henry's first wife -

Deaths Sep 1906 (>99%)
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Manners Frances 35 Tynemouth 10b 201

Thank you.
Thomas Pringle was Eliza Pringle's brother. They are all living in his house with his mam, including the 2 young Bell boys(my grandfather and his brother). Eliza Pringle is using her maiden name.?
If John Bell is still alive in 1901 and living next door that's brilliant news.
Thank you.
Eliza went on to marry Robert Manners ( former best man)so I still don't know what happened to John Robert Bell after 1901 or his brother Thomas Bell the Tailor .
Do you have an address I can look up? Many thanks Trevor. xxx

It just says Eliza 'sister' and single

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Ginny.
Does it say Eliza sister to head was a widow ?

Second child with no fathers surname is unusual. I have a birth cert where the father is named as husband of the mother and I know he had died 14 months before in WW1.

Both mother and baby died and mothers sister registered the death

Looks like Johns sons were living with his brother

1901 England Census
about Thomas Bell
Name: Thomas Bell
Age: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1893
Relation: Nephew
Gender: Male
Where born: Blyth, Northumberland, England

Civil parish: Newsham and South Blyth
Ecclesiastical parish: Blyth St Cuthbert
Town: Newsham
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Tynemouth
Sub-registration district: Blyth
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 212
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Pringle 36
Ann Pringle 63 >>>>>>>>>>>>>Mother>>widow
Eliza Pringle 34 >>>>>>>>>>Sister to head
Isaac Pringle 24 >>Brother
Ann Pringle 15 >>>Sister
Robert Bell 5
Thomas Bell 8

Theres also a John Bell living next door as a boarder a coal .miner.born Blyth

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