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Grandfather James Williams

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Valerie

Valerie Report 5 Nov 2009 16:00

Hello I am trying to find Peggy Williams the half sister of my mother Catherine Williams.They share the same father James Williams born abt 1876 in Lower Norwood Lambeth,he was married to Lydia Brown but left the family in about 1918? I understand that he remarried although there was no divorce and Peggy was his child from his 2nd marriage. I have also been told that my mother and Peggy did meet once after James died but this is only a family tale and I don't know how much truth there is to the story. I would like to find out more about my grandfather so if you can help it would be great.I think Peggy must have been born between 1920 and 1930 but this is only a guess. We have also been told that they lived in Kent, but again I don't know how true this is. Any help would be appreciated.

Mel Fairy Godmother

Mel Fairy Godmother Report 5 Nov 2009 16:08

Valerie when was your mother born and where please?

Mel Fairy Godmother

Mel Fairy Godmother Report 5 Nov 2009 16:11

1881 England Census
about James Williams
Name: James Williams
Age: 5
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876
Relation: Son
Father's Name: John
Gender: Male
Where born: Lambeth

Civil parish: Lambeth
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address: 15 Granby Bldgs
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Scholar

Registration district: Lambeth
Sub-registration district: Lambeth Church First
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
John Williams 50
John Williams 16
James Williams 5


This could be him

FannyByGaslight

FannyByGaslight Report 5 Nov 2009 16:19

Do you know when and where James Williams died?
His death cert may hold clues to his other family to try and find Peggy or descendants of hers.

FannyByGaslight

FannyByGaslight Report 5 Nov 2009 16:26

1911

WILLIAMS, James Head Married M 34 1877 Laundry Washouseman Norwood Surrey VIEW
WILLIAMS, Lydia Wife Married
3 years F 24 1887 Pimlico London VIEW
WILLIAMS, Robert Son M 2 1909 Catford Kent VIEW
WILLIAMS, Kathleen Daughter F 1 1910 Dover Kent
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
4605 Reference:
RG14PN4605 RG78PN193 RD65 SD2 ED15 SN286

Registration District:
Dover Sub District:
Dover EnumerationDistrict:
15 Parish:
Dover

Address:
7 Charlton Green Dover

Valerie

Valerie Report 5 Nov 2009 17:06

Hi There
Mel - My mother was born 3rd March 1910 in Dover Kent James and Lydia were her parents.James father was Francis Williams know as Frank.

Michele - you have the right marriage , I have the cert and it confirms his fathers name as Frank Williams

Vivienne - I have no idea when or where he died only that it must have been around 1950??? as my sister can remember the police calling on my gran with the news of his death,but as she was only a child at the time she may have got the times mixed up.

FannyByGaslight

FannyByGaslight Report 5 Nov 2009 17:12

Well at least with the 1911 census you now know that they did indeed live in Kent at one time.

To find his death would entail searching quarter by quarter year by year at the moment,a long boring job,if you wait a while Ancestry should have them all transcribed soon and it will make it a bit easier,not that it will be easy with a name like James Williams if you have no idea where he died.

Valerie

Valerie Report 5 Nov 2009 17:25

Vivienne
Thanks for your answer, my sister will be back from Canada tomorrow and I will try and get her to think again about what she remembers, she told me that James and his 2nd wife and Peggy were all living in Dover not far from where my gran lived when he died but again I think my sister's memory is playing her tricks. I will post any progress and failing that will have to wait for Ancestry to update their files.

Mel Fairy Godmother

Mel Fairy Godmother Report 5 Nov 2009 17:32

So do you wish us to take a look and see if we can find James williams with his father Francis aka Frank??

Valerie

Valerie Report 6 Nov 2009 00:50

Thanks Mel but no I have all the information about his siblings and his father Frank, the only problem I am having with that line of inquiry is Franks parents marriage certificate, I am doing research in that area but its complicated.Frank Williams mother is given as Caroline Martlew on his birth cert' and his father as James Williams but so far I haven't been able to find a marriage for them.From what I've been able to find it looks as if Caroline Martlew was already married when she met James Williams but I'm still trying to work that one out.