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Help needed please census and marriage

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Carole Mac

Carole Mac Report 21 Nov 2009 06:57

I hadn't seen that Ozibird, but will look into it and make contact. These Lavins spread themselves far and wide - they are my husband's family.
Thank you for your add on. A few of the Lavins married into the Williams family.
Regards,
Carole

Ozibird

Ozibird Report 21 Nov 2009 05:59

Have you seen this?
http://www.cousinconnect.com/d/a/185721

Date Posted: 27-Sep-2008
Surname(s): LAVIN : ROYAPPEN : WILLIAMS

I am looking for information relating to "Charles Williams", his family, and his relatives. Charles was born about
1820 in Penryn, Cornwall where he married Andromache Lavin in 1847. He arrived in Durban on the Minerva in
1850. He appears to have been an owner or an overseer of a sugar property in Isipingo, Natal from around 1850
to 1869. He had three children with his wife Andromache. He might have had additional children from his
indentured servant "Chauramah Royappen". I am also interested in other Lavins which came from Penryn and
Penzance. Several of Andromache Lavin's relations also immigrated to South Africa.

Associated Regions: South Africa > Natal

Carole Mac

Carole Mac Report 21 Nov 2009 04:59

Liz, I can't believe the time you must have spent on this request of mine, thank you so very much.
I am relatively new to researching so don't know the extra places to look other than the main sites and 'googling'. I am slowly learning thanks to people like you.
I had found Miles Lavin and Herman Harry Lavin on the NZ BDM and have ordered their birth certs this morning. The Hawles Lavin I haven't seen anywhere. It is probably Haweis because that is a family name through the Lavins. There is another birth on NZ BDM as unamed in 1858 so that more than likely is him.
I can't find a marriage anywhere for John Lavin and Jane Carbis but will keep looking.
I will peruse all the sites you have given me this evening when I have quiet time!
I am so very thankful you have followed my thread through - it is an interesting story, isn't it, albeit horrible.
My best wishes to you,
Regards, Carole

alviegal

alviegal Report 20 Nov 2009 21:36

Bingo!! Her name was Jane Carbis from Penzance, Cornwall and she had a sister in Ballarat, Victoria. The children were Hawles, 11, Miles 8 and Henry Herman 3. I will let you look at all these records with John in.


http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=q&hs=1&r=1&dafdq=&dafmq=&dafyq=&datdq=&datmq=&datyq=&sf=&ssnip=&tyq=all&fuzziness=&results=1&pbq=PubMetaHBH&t=0&txq=lavin&e=-------10--1----0-all&x=60&y=9

Also look at this http://www.natlib.govt.nz/collections/highlighted-items/bushwork

Liz

alviegal

alviegal Report 20 Nov 2009 21:16

Carole, a couple more reports.


http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&cl=search&d=HBH18690420.2.10&srpos=1&e=-------10-PubMetaHBH-1----0mohaka+massacre-all


Have you seen this? http://tapuhi.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/spydus/FULL/ARCHIVESNR/OPHDR/59/22511,1

Record Title : Inward letters - John Lavin
Display Dates : 1865-1869
Reference Number : MS-Papers-0032-0386
Collection Record : McLean, Donald (Sir), 1820-1877 : Papers (MS-Group-1551)
Issue Restriction : Restricted : Microfilm available. Use MS-Copy-Micro-0535-066
Issue Copy : Copy for Issue : Inward correspondence (J G Kinross - C Leslie) : (Microfilm of MS-Papers-0032, folders 0380-0388) (MS-Copy-Micro-0535-066)
Collection Status : PART OF COLLECTION
Issue Status : Issuable ITEM
Quantity : 1 folder(s)
Scope and Contents : Ten letters written from Mohaka, 1865-1869
Member Series : Series 1 Inward letters (English)
Names : Lavin, John, d 1869 (Contributor)
Institution : Alexander Turnbull Library, Wellington, New Zealand


http://tapuhi.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/spydus/FULL/ARCHIVESNR/OPHDR/59/44542,2

Name : Lavin, John, d 1869
Major Links : Go to Records
Related Term : Related: Mohaka
Biography : In 1863 he was Registrar of births, deaths and marriages at Mohaka (as Wairoa did not exist then as a settled district). The homestead (Springhill) where he lived with his wife and three small sons was situated near the river and by the late 1860s Lavin was farming over 9,000 acres. The family were all killed in the Mohaka massacre on 10 Apr 1869. See `Early stations of Hawke's Bay' by Miriam Macgregor, p 204.

and this one http://tapuhi.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/spydus/FULL/ARCHIVESNR/OPHDR/59/136240,4



http://tapuhi.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/spydus/ENQ/GLOBAL/OPHDR?BROAD=john+lavin&BROAD_TYPE=K&SEARCH_FORM=%2FMSG%2FGLOBAL%2FOPBROAD.HTM



This is very interesting and you can see the images online which is fascinating. There is one of John's first house c1855.


Liz


PS There are no 1831 census records for England.

Carole Mac

Carole Mac Report 19 Nov 2009 22:04

Hi Liz,
Thank you so much for that info. I have just logged on and won't have time to look at it at the moment but will do so later in the morning (going out to an appointment), but I am sure the baby Harry will be related. That now gives us an earlier arrival in NZ for the family.
As well as doing our family tree I am assisting the local NZ museum in trying to find out the names of Mrs lavin and the 3 boys. The history there is sketchy. The story of their deaths was a gruesome one! We have been to the area and it is such a beautiful spot.
Thank you again so much for your help. I'll be back in touch when I have read the reports.
Kindest regards,
Carole

Add
The NZ bmd does have a Harry Lavin born in 1857 but no more info. Based on the Napier Cemetery record listing him as an infant of John, I have ordered the birth cert, and hope I get the mother's name from that. At least I have a start. I am going to NZ and will be visiting Napier next week, so will go to the Cemetery.
I have now also read the book reports on the killings, yes, it is as we knew. I have printed them out for filing.
Thank you for your interest. Now to find them in UK in 1831 or 1851?????? or when they left.

alviegal

alviegal Report 19 Nov 2009 17:00

Hi Carole,

The records are all from http://www.cornwall-opc.org/

Is this an account of the death of John and his family? How awful if it is! What a gruesome end for them!
http://www.nzetc.org/tm/scholarly/tei-GudRemi-t1-body1-d53.html
http://www.nzetc.org/tm/scholarly/tei-Cow02NewZ-c31.html
and others.


Have also found this. Have no idea if this one is connected or not but it may be. From http://www.angelfire.com/bc/Vincina/Burial.html

1857 Old Napier Cemetery - Burial Records 1850's-1870
LAVIN, Harry, 12 August, aged 7 mths (inf. John Lavin)


Good luck

Liz

Carole Mac

Carole Mac Report 18 Nov 2009 21:37

Thank you so much alviegal. I am in Aus and have just come online again in the morning.
Yes they are all from the same family, the marriage records are great because I didn't have some of them. Where did you find those please?
I have also found various records of him in NZ through to his death in 1869. The earliest I have found is the one in1858.
As we can't find any records in UK I am wondering if by a long shot he went to South Africa before NZ? His brother migrated to South Africa about 1849 and died a couple of years later. I might try to find somewhere to search there if that is possible.
Thank you again
Regards, Carole

alviegal

alviegal Report 18 Nov 2009 20:36

Here he is a bit later than the electoral roll you have.
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~babznz/hbelect6162.html


Electoral Roll for the District of Mohaka 1861-62
LAVIN, John Martin Philips, Mohaka

alviegal

alviegal Report 18 Nov 2009 20:19

These are Michael's children. Sorry, I am still looking for John but, like Sharon, am not having much luck.

1) Marriages - Details of record ID 293036:
Parish or Registration District:
Date:

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Bride's residence:
Father:
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Gluvias, St.
15-May 1871

Michael Jenkins LAVIN
Full
Widower
Draper
Penryn
Michael Jenkin Lavin
Draper

Grace Anna ROWE
Full
Spinster

Penryn
John Reed Rowe
Merchant



2) Marriages - Details of record ID 293064:
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Gluvias, St.
04-Jul 1872

Charles GRAY
Full
Bachelor
Merchant
Penryn
John
Merchant

Sarah Joyce LAVIN
Full
Spinster

Penryn
Michael Jenkin Lavin
Draper



3) Marriages - Details of record ID 293089:
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Gluvias, St.
11-Feb 1873

George Tom? OLIVER
Full
Bachelor
Cabinet Maker
Penzance
?
Merchant

Jesse LAVIN
Full
Spinster

Penryn
Michael Jenkin Lavin
Draper



4) Marriages - Details of record ID 293177:
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Gluvias, St.
29-Aug 1876

Charles Edward LAVIN
Full
Bachelor
Draper
Penzance
Michael Jenkin Lavin
Draper

Elizabeth Ann DYSON
Full
Spinster

Penryn
Henry Stibert
Master Mariner



5) Marriages - Details of record ID 293184:
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Gluvias, St.
20-Feb 1877

Lavin PASCOE
Full
Bachelor
Jeweller
Penryn
Hodgeson
Jeweller

Nora LAVIN
Full
Spinster

Penryn
Michael Jenkin Lavin
Draper

alviegal

alviegal Report 18 Nov 2009 20:11

Sorry, just back from work. I don't know if you've seen this, or even if it's the Elizabeth in your family, but it might be.

Burials - Details of record ID 733061:
Parish:
Date:

Name:
Age:
Residence:
Gluvias, St.
28-Aug 1832

Elizabeth Lavin
12


Mary?


Burials - Details of record ID 732761:
Parish:
Date:

Name:
Age:
Residence:
Gluvias, St.
15-Jan 1829

Mary Lavin
35


Is the father Martin or Michael? It's just you mention Michael Jenkin jnr.


Burials - Details of record ID 733147:
Parish:
Date:

Name:
Age:
Residence:
Gluvias, St.
7-Apr 1833

Michael Lavin
51
Liz

Carole Mac

Carole Mac Report 18 Nov 2009 10:18

Thanks so much for looking Sharon.
Regards,
Carole

SharoninGreece

SharoninGreece Report 18 Nov 2009 10:12

Have checked for John also on various sites but no luck.

Sharon

Carole Mac

Carole Mac Report 18 Nov 2009 10:08

Thank you Sharon, yes that is Michael in 1861.
It is his brother John Martin Phillips Lavin that I am after in the earlier census lists because I know he was in NZ by 1858. He is being elusive. And no sign of a marriage that I can find or births of any of his sons (no names known).
Thank you for your interest.
Regards,
Carole

SharoninGreece

SharoninGreece Report 18 Nov 2009 09:33

This seems to be Michael in 1861.


Name: Michael J Lavin
Age: 37
Estimated birth year: abt 1824
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Sarah
Gender: Male
Where born: Penryn, Cornwall, England

Civil parish: Penryn
County/Island: Cornwall
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Falmouth
Sub-registration district: Penryn
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 12
Household Members: Name Age
Michael J Lavin 37
Sarah Lavin 37
Sarah J Lavin 13
Jessie Lavin 11
Charles E Lavin 9
Harry Lavin 7
Nora Lavin 5
Jane Newcombe 68
Charles Williams 70
Jane Crase 26
Ellen Mitchel 19

Carole Mac

Carole Mac Report 18 Nov 2009 07:53

nudge

Carole Mac

Carole Mac Report 17 Nov 2009 21:05

Thank you alviegal. That is some of the family - no parents though, interesting. Gives me a start.
Kind regards,
Carole

alviegal

alviegal Report 17 Nov 2009 20:57

Possible 1841


FindMyPast - The new findmypast.com Print this page Close Window
1841 census transcription details for: Market Street, Lower, Penryn
National Archive Reference:
RG number: HO107 Piece: 137 Book/Folio: 3/35 Page: 17

Reg. District: Falmouth Sub District: Penryn
Parish: Penryn Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough: Penryn
Address: Market Street, Lower, Penryn
County: Cornwall
Name Relation Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation Where Born
MARTIN, Joyce F 70 1771 Cornwall
LAVIN, Sarah F 20 1821 Cornwall shopkeeper
LAVIN, Mary F 20 1821 Cornwall
LAVIN, Andromica F 20 1821 Cornwall
LAVIN, Michael M 17 1824 Cornwall app draper
LAVIN, John M 15 1826 Cornwall app cabinet maker
MAY, Mary F 30 1811 Cornwall
JONES, Jane F 20 1821 Cornwall

Carole Mac

Carole Mac Report 17 Nov 2009 20:49

Hi all.
I am looking for information on a John Martin Phillips Lavin please.
I have his christening on 4 Sept 1825 at St Gluvias Church Penryn Cornwall UK.
His parents were Michael Jenkin Lavin and Mary (nee Bennett).
Siblings were Henry Bennet, Sarah, Mary, Elizabeth, Andromache, Edward John Haweis, and Michael Jenkin (jnr).

I have John Martin Phillips Lavin on the electoral roll in NZ in 1858, but don't know when he went to NZ.

I would love the UK census listings for him and any of the family for 1831, 1841, 1851.

I am also trying to find a marriage for him, and the births of any children - no success yet. I don't know if he married and had children in England before he left for NZ. He, his wife, and 3 sons were killed in NZ in 1869.
Any help on the above requests would be much appreciated.
Many thanks,
Carole