Find Ancestors

When you go here to order a certificate

http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/

tick the box that says you have the GRO reference.

This is one reason why it's best to do your own searching at FreeBMD:

http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl

-- you can see the headings on the colums to see what those numbers and letters are -- e.g., for births:

Surname - First name(s) - Mother (starting 1911) - District- Vol - Page

Then it's best to click on the spectacles beside the entry (that will open a new page or tab) and view the actual image for the entry to make sure everything is transcribed correctly.

So for the one Astra gave you:

Marriages Dec 1849
Cole Mary Plomesgate 12 791
Dale Robert Plomesgate 12 791
Danfer Randell Plomesgate 12 791
Danfer Randill Plomesgate 12 791
Meadows Emma Plomesgate 12 791
Scott John Plomesgate 12 791
Smy Emma Plomesgate 12 791

You're going to order
a marriage certificate
for John Scott (order in one name only)
oct-nov-dec quarter 1849
registration district Plomesgate
volume 12
page 791

and Bob will be your uncle.

My apologies for not replying earlier GR support is working on my site as it will not add much in the way of comment.
The information from ASTRA is as far as I can tell correct. The comment that child Emma did not marry is also correct from old letters it appears she got pregnant, and was rejected by the family and committed suicide. This is only from family letters and I can not tell if it is pure myth or not. Can you please tell me if the referrence numbers such as 12 791 are enough to purchase documents? This is the last line the system let insert Thanks

Thank you, Janey, I'll learn. The response from ASTRA below backs a lot more sense than the mythology from family entries in bibles and letters. My Grandfather Robert John Bradshaw was actually Robert John Scott b' 1880. In the far western regions of Australia in the 1800's a birth or death may not ever be recorded, may rcorded a year or more later, and may or may not be accurate. A droving family [moving mobs of sheep and or cattle from one place to another] may not reurn to their own town for several years. Grandfather was handed over to a Bradshaw family to raise, it is most likely the family William Foster Bradshaw and Margaret [Robertson] were that family. To wit: Hope I make it clearer;
John Scott b' 1822 m' Emma [Meadows]. Birthed. Robert Scott b' 22Aug 1854 @Iken Eng'. He m' Annie Robertson b' 1852 at sea aboard the Amarinta. th

But arrgh.

How could people married in England in 1854 have emigrated to Australia in 1852??

Best to maybe reframe this. Avoid pronouns like "they" and phrases like "this union" and "GFx1" and the like. ;) Use the names, make lists if possible.

Who went to Australia in 1852? The parents of Annie Robertson (who married William Scott, who may be a son of Robert Scott 1854)?


Just to add for those of us used to standard formats:

Births Sep 1854
Scott Robert Plomesgate 4a 558

and you do have the birth cert showing parents as John Scott and Emma Meadows, as I understand it.


>>> If you add "emigrated to Australia" to your subject line, using the edit link on your first post, you are more likely to attract the attention of people with Australia expertise and resources.

Aargh, I couldn't find this thread for looking, until I realized the name I got the message from and the name on the thread are different. I'm going to put this here before the thread disappears completely off my radar.

Please use the purple "Reply" button up top of the thead, Bloke -- saves the rest of us having to hunt back and forth from inbox to discussion board, and means everyone can see the info.


You wrote (and I'm going to space out the dense blocks of prose so they're readable):


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Thanks Janey. This is my first attempt to find the ancestors. You didn't get wrong I may have been unclear in my entry.

R. I asked a research person to try to acquire the m' cert' of John Scott to Emma [Meadows] a couple of weeks ago now.

>>> Note: never ever do that. The certificates are available from the GRO office for the price of 7 pounds:
http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/
Anything else is purely a ripoff.


R. I think they came to Australia in 1852 aboard the Barque Amarita, ex Liverpool June 1852 arv Geelong Victoria, Ozz October 1852. Annie Robertson was born on the voyage.

If I go backwards:

My GFx1 Robert John Bradshaw is Robert John Scott b' 4 Jul 1880. (He was raised by a Bradshaw Family, I belive this to be William Foster Bradshaw and Margaret [Robertson]).

He was, (now deceased) the son of Robert Scott b' 23 Aug 1854. The son of John Scott and Emma [Meadows].

GFx1's d' cert' shows Father as William and Mother as Annie [Robertson].

This is far as I have got so far, there is not much available about my Father as he was [spelling] persona nongratia from 1945 to 1995 due to his posting in the Australian army, as he insisted he never left Autralia. very recently I found documents listing his as MIA for 172 days, This coincided with opps in Malaysia

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I'm going to have to abandon you here as it's supper time here in Canada. ;) But others may take a look at it in my absence.

It doesn't look as though Emma married.
In 1871 Sarah Ann is with her Aunt and Uncle Philip and Elizabeth Cole in London they were both born in Iken.
It looks as though she married David Squirrel in 1875 and in 1881 she is back in Suffolk with a daughter Annabel born 1878. She is noted as married but he is not there. Her trade is dressmaker.
In 1891 she has three more children and is noted as Sailor's Wife. David is not present. David (son) born 1882, Edwin born 1885 and Helen born 1887.
Can't find William in 1871 .He may have travelled with Robert or he may have died.
Can't find Elizabeth. She may be the Eliza in 1871 with John although the age is wrong and it is likely that mother Emma died in 1863 when Eliza was born. Elizabeth may have died in 1862 or she may be a Servant in Croydon Surrey along with Eliza.

Marriages Dec 1875 (>99%)
JOCELYN Thomas Croydon 2a 380
SCOTT Sarah Ann Croydon 2a 380
SQUIRRELL David Croydon 2a 380
WILKINS Elizabeth Croydon 2a 380

This looks like the parents with Emma in 1891. It would appear that John has re-married.

John Scott
Age: 69
Estimated birth year: abt 1822
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Maryann
Gender: Male
Where born: Iken, Suffolk, England
Civil parish: Iken
Ecclesiastical parish: St Botolph
County/Island: Suffolk
Country: England
Registration district: Plomesgate
Sub-registration district: Orford
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
John Scott 69
Maryann Scott 63>>>>>>born Gedgrave
Emma Scott 40
Elizabeth Whitmore 91>>>>>>>>>>widow/lodger

Possible Death for Mother Emma

Deaths Sep 1863 (>99%)
SCOTT Emma Plomesgate 4a 463

This is the family in 1861 but I can't locate them in 71 so maybe they had left by then but I can't locate their travel details.

Robert Scott
Age: 7
Estimated birth year: abt 1854
Relation: Son
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Emma
Gender: Male
Where born: Oxford, Suffolk, England
Civil parish: Iken
County/Island: Suffolk
Country: England
Registration district: Plomesgate
Sub-registration district: Orford
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 37
Household Members:
Name Age
John Scott 42
Emma Scott 33
Emma Scott 10
Sarah Ann Scott 8
Robert Scott 7
William Scott 5
Elizebeth Scott 3

The marriage

Marriages Dec 1849 (>99%)
Cole Mary Plomesgate 12 791
Dale Robert Plomesgate 12 791
Danfer Randell Plomesgate 12 791
Danfer Randill Plomesgate 12 791
Meadows Emma Plomesgate 12 791
Scott John Plomesgate 12 791
Smy Emma Plomesgate 12 791

1851 John and Emma with daughter and father William also sister Elizabeth. The family naming sequence is beginning to fall into place.

Emma Scott
Age: 9 Mo
Estimated birth year: abt 1850
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Emma
Gender: Female
Where born: Iken, Suffolk, England
Civil parish: Iken
County/Island: Suffolk
Country: England
Street Address:
Registration district: Plomesgate
Sub-registration district: Earl
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 9
Household Members:
Name Age
William Scott 64
Elizabeth Scott 23
John Scott 29
Emma Scott 23
Emma Scott 9 Mo


Ah. Found John in 1871. He is alone with Daughter Eliza age 9

Do you have the Scott-Meadows marriage certificate naming their fathers? If you're looking for ancestors, that's the first step. Have you looked for John and Emma in the 41/51 censuses to find them with family?

I don't see the household in the 1861 census. Any idea when they left England?

When you say his descendants "possibly included" -- what info do you have? There is reason to think that Robert Scott 1854 is Robert Scott/Bradshaw's grandfather? Or not?

Robert Scott/Bradshaw c1880 is a son of William Scott who may have been a son of Robert Scott 1854? That does seem unlikely! There is only a 26-year gap. Someone born 1854 isn't going to be the grandfather of someone born 1880! Have I misread something??

The ancestors of Robert Scott b' 23 Aug 1854 to John and Emma [Meadows]. at Iken. Registered at Plomesgate > Suffolk > England. The decendents of Robert Scott possibly included William Scott, m' Annie Robertson date unknown. Robert John Scott [AKA] Bradshaw, My GF, b' abt' May 1880 at Ballarat > Victoria > Australia is a son of this union.