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Lindsey* Report 24 Nov 2009 10:14

do you know anything about this ?

Victoria, Australia, Assisted and Unassisted Passenger Lists, 1839–1923 about Walter Levi Walden
Name: Walter Levi Walden
Estimated birth year: abt 1865
Age: 19
Arrival Date: 16 Apr 1884
Arrival Port: Adelaide, Melbourne and Sydney, Australia
Departure Port: London
Ship: Liguria
Nationality: English

oooh look

Deaths Dec 1911 (>99%)

Walden Ellen 45 Fulham 1a 362


Lindsey* Report 24 Nov 2009 09:37

Not yet !!!
So where did the story come from that he came back to England ?


WayneTracey Report 24 Nov 2009 09:13


I think Colin was referring to closing the thread to prevent any more people telling him he has to buy the certs lol...

Tracey xx


rootgatherer Report 24 Nov 2009 09:08


Please don't closed the thread until you buy that Walter and Annie Cox marriage certificate!

Please come back and gives us the details from it as we are all now eager to know if it was YOUR Walter or one of his cousins or, indeed, no relation of his!!


WayneTracey Report 24 Nov 2009 08:37

sorry about spelling, OH asleep, typing in the dark lol...

T xx


WayneTracey Report 24 Nov 2009 08:36

Colin the best and only way to *close* a thred is to ammend your title to reflect this.

Goto the first post on your thread, click 'edit' and you can then change the title.... i would suggest something like....

UK Arrivals - **CLOSED**

Most of us oldies here recommend this, it stops us from opening them all!

If only everyone had the thought to do this we'd all be happier lol.

Whatever you do DO NOT delete your thread, this is annoying as the data found for you could be useful for someone else.

Threads never expire here (whish is a pain as much as it is a pleasure!!)

Tracey x


Colin Report 24 Nov 2009 08:24

The 1901 census places him as part of Walter Levi Walden's b.1866 family with Ellen as the mother. Unfortunately for him he was in Wormwood scrubs at age 16 under the name of Walter Waldon. The next English census is of no use as he should be in australia His name appears with his then wife sarah wilson as the father of my father in 1911. I have that certificate.
I believe he also fathered madge jane weeks in 1914 so in between thisI he might have been wandering around the bush.
The question is did he leave in 1914 to return or am I mistaken about madge and if so did he leave earlier to be in Fulhamfor the courtship and the wedding in 1916 to annie A Cox. Interesting isn't it.?.
By the way do I have to notify the administrator to close all threads or do they lapse over tiime?


Lindsey* Report 24 Nov 2009 06:30

What actual evidence do you have of him, could he still be wandering around in the bush !

I wouldn't put the 2 extra children on your tree, that seems to be misleading.

We still don.t have a definite census record for him, which will name his parents,and siblings.
This isn't a cheap hobby and you do have to throw money at it to get the right answers.
And we are all going round in circles with this man.! If I find him I may have to kill him off ! lol


Colin Report 24 Nov 2009 06:17

Thanks for the lesson Lindsey I have a glimmer of understanding Should I still leave them in my tree with a question mark or would you just delete them?
After your answer I think I will close off all the threads and conentrate more on the initial question about passenger lists to and from London1910 to 1915.


Lindsey* Report 24 Nov 2009 06:04

Well now ,a quick check of Joseph Walden , he is most likely to be a son of William Walden Coal dealer of Foleshill, which is a long way up country from your Waldens.
Which makes me think that the 2 Foleshill births are not your relatives.

Because there is another Walden marriage in Foleshill that puts a huge question mark. You cannot presume that they belong to your Walter.and they are much more likely to be Joseph's. You could be heading off on a wild goose chase.

As far as 99% accuracy well, it's that 1% that you have to watch !
There are sooooo many mistakes in all the records, I waste an awful lot of my time submitting corrections.

We are now on thread 3 which is still telling you to buy Walters marriage certs !
Hey ho

I think we have wrung out every drop of Walden information that exists !


Colin Report 24 Nov 2009 04:16

I bow to your knowledge because I am a novice in this intricate art of genealogy but why would they not be a continuation of the family line. The BMD has a 99% probability of accuracy, the dates chronologically add up and the parents have the right names In addition there is no continuation of that line in Wokingham.
What am I missing?
I am eager to learn Thanks .........colin


Lindsey* Report 24 Nov 2009 02:40

I dont think the Foleshill births are connected

Marriages Dec 1921 (>99%)
Cox Grace Walden Foleshill 6d 1228
Walden Joseph Cox Foleshill 6d 1228


Colin Report 24 Nov 2009 01:48

There are two more additions to the marriage of Walter Levi Walden and Annie Cox.since i opened my tree to you.
I don't know the geography but the new additions are in Foleshill after 3 children in Wokingham.Does this mean they have moved house.
The additions are
Francis W Walden b. Mar Q 1923 see 6d 1146, and
Denis Walden b. Jun Q 1925 see 6d 1128.
I have just found francis died in Coventry Sep Q 1928 see 6d 540 His children drop like leaves on a tree in autumn


Colin Report 23 Nov 2009 15:58

Then they must have been very good friends. ....col


rootgatherer Report 22 Nov 2009 21:02

Looks like that Walter either wasn't married to Alice or they married elsewhere! This is the only Walter / Alice marrige between 1900 and 1910!

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

Marriages Jun 1911 (>99%)

Walden Walter W Bristol 6a 395


WayneTracey Report 22 Nov 2009 16:18

I think Root may have confused you there a little, they are not all in the same household!

Like it has been suggested before there are more than 1 Walter Walden floating about!!!!

WALDEN, Walter Head Married6 years M 26 1885 General Labourer Parish Fulham
WALDEN, Alice Wife Married F 25 1886 Parish Fulham
RG number:RG14 Piece:331 Reference:RG14PN331 RG78PN10 RD3 SD4 ED28 SN429

Address:65 Heckfield Place Fulham S W County:London

and the second household!

WALDEN, Walter Head Married27 years M 45 1866 Wood Sawyer Parish Fulham
WALDEN, Ealain Wife Married F 45 1866 Parish Fulham
WALDEN, James Son M 14 1897 Parish Fulham
WALDEN, Alfred Son M 12 1899 Parish Fulham
RG number:RG14 Piece:296 Reference:RG14PN296 RG78PN9 RD3 SD3 ED30 SN19

Address:17 Chelmsford St Fulham County:London

Tracey x


Colin Report 22 Nov 2009 15:40

Ive just reread rootgatherers 1911 census which appears a little muddled. However it looks like Walter 1866 and ellen's house with their sons james and alf.
What worries me is the reference to Walter 1885 and Alice F Walden who don't fit into the picture. Is it Walter Levi 1883/4 back temporarily from Aus, and if so who isAlice F Walden?
Are they another family line visiting? Or does Walter levi 1883/4 work on a boat that gives him access to england and australia. Theres more questions than answers at the moment and its nearly midnight here. I,m going to bed Bye for now


rootgatherer Report 22 Nov 2009 14:50

I think the descendants of George P. (the basket weaver) may have produced more than 1 Walter Walden. So really without buying the certificates you wouldn't know which one belongs to which branch!

If Walter was still in Australia in 1914 it is unlikely that the 1916 marriage in Fulham is his remarriage!


Colin Report 22 Nov 2009 14:46

I think you have all been wonderful. I will try to put it into perspective, Geo P the builder 1820 had 7 children this is not important. Walter levi Walden 1866 was in that generation and he and ellen strong had 6 children the first of these was Walter levi Walden 1884 the man in question. He married sarah wilson in fulham 1904 Another Walter levi 1905 1906 a James 1908 1909 and Sidney 1909 1910 who died enroute to Fremantle Aus. were born and died. Sarah and her infant were shown on a passenger list in 1910 but no sign of Walter. However he made it to perth Aus. because the first surviving child my father chas wm weeks was born in 1911 Forget the surname which is the one I also incorrectly carry because Chas Wm's birth cert shows walter and sarah together and we should carry the Walden name The next child is a guess but I am sure that madge Jane Weeks was also a Walden B. in 1914. Now for some reason Walter decided to return to fulham. My best guess is it would be any time from mid 1914 but in time to marry annie Cox in 1916. There you have it ; a potted history of Walters life and he is still in his ealy 30's. I hope this makes sense and you can understand why I am trying to track his movements. Questions about the marriage to sarah and whether a divorce was ever obtained are questions to be answered..Although she lived with Tom Weeks they did not marry until 1940 I hope this helps.


WayneTracey Report 22 Nov 2009 14:38


Another tree has this...

Madge Jane Walden
Birth 1914 in perth Western Australia
Death in maylands

Parents Walter Levi Walden & Sarah Wilson.... so they were there in 1914 still!

Tracey x