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Hi there to you too Sylvia - friend (I hope) from long ago.

Dea x

Lovely to see you Derek

I'd noticed that you were not around. Hope hat you and yours are well.

Well I never !!! - 'Mr modesty himself' is back ! ;-) :-)

Lovely to see you Derek.

Dea x

Oh alright then!! seems I have paid up for another year..so you may as well avail your good selves of my continuing goodwill and unfailing generosity..along with my undoubted brilliance, and hurl yourselves uninhibitedly upon the bastion of my excellent knowledge...even thought most of it is now to be found on Ancestry!!.....Derek xxx

Dear Derek..I seem to have acquired all your Derbyshire posts on my watch list. I do not want to touch it as you had a disaster once and lost all. Can you get someone to look into it. sonya dench

Hi jenny..will be back with you soon...one or two other issues around at the moment
Derek

Hello Derek

Any information will be most appreciated, so yes please. Trying to train myself to stop going off at tangents.

Would love to see a photo of EMMA BLACKBURN, my Grand mother. The only photos I have are from 1930 onwards.

Still trying

Jenny

Jenny,you.re very welcome..as I said i've done the Blackburns as welll..if you want them.All the best.Derek

Hello Derek

You have been so busy!! I will be putting everything in place and hopefully start pulling it all together. Many , many thanks

Jenny :-)

Hello Jenny:

William Livingstone 1766 Southampton..married Ann 1766 name not found yet..nor marriage....several childrn including:
WILLIAM LIVINGSTONE born 1811 a Coastguard from Gosport Hants who married Christiana Blanchard born 1814 from Cornwall..one of several children was:
DAVID HENRY BLANCHARD LIVINGSTONE born 1843
In 1851 they were living in Lydd Kent..and in 1861 David was "Top Boy" on HMS SHarpshooter off the Congo Coast of Africa..(Top Boy was usually the youngest and the one who always climbed to the Topmost point of the mainmast)

DAVID HB LIVINGSTONE married MARIA LIPSCOMB from Lewknor in Oxfordshire in 1867 and had
THOMAS HENRY LIVINGSTONE in1876..
AS you know..they lived at various addresses in derby...DAVID became a railway porter and Thomas got into Lithography...Maria nee lipscombe died in derby in 1898 and David herbert remarried a CLARE BATES also in 1898..He July 1910 in Derby..

THOMAS HENRY LIVINGSTONE married EMMA BLACKBURN (I've found a picture of her) in 1899..she was born Derby 1877..and died 18.12.1955 in Bromsgrove...they had four children.
Hilda Emma 1901 ..Nellie 1908 (died 1913)..these in Derby...then two sons in Birmingham....Thomas Wilfred b, 02.05.1915 Died 2005..and Harold William b 07.04.1917..died 1997.....
I have details of the Blackburn family..more later..
Derek

Hi Derek, I am looking forward to hearing from you. Sorry about my delay, not been too brilliant just lately. Apologies for the faulty info!! Now trying to get myself sorted.

Hope you get the photo
Jenny

Thanks so much

Thanks Derek -- do you have the early deaths of Jenkinsons at Cubley ?? up to about
1800

So perhaps then no marriage in Derbyshire for Richard Jenkinson and Dorothy
a later marriage of John Jenkinson and Elizabeth Spencer took place in Uttoxeter.

on Admiral Sir Charles Saunders he was infact the son of Ambrose and Anne Saunders bp at St.Andrews Holborn Ldn. 1715 -- I wrote to the Heralds of Arms a few years ago asking about his pedigree needed for his coat of arms which is why I know .

Ambrose may be the Brother of Sir George Saunders another Admiral also thought could be Charles father..

Charles Saunders sister Anne married Peter Kinsey the daughter of this marriage --Ann -- she married Richard Huck -- had to change surname to Saunders to inherit from Sir Charles Sunders will.

But it still dos'nt help me find the connection between the Jenkinson family and as to why Sir Charles Saunders was " Uncle " to them [ even my mother knew there was a famous relative buried in Westminster Abbey ]

Mavis

Hello Mavis..........there is a lot of work to do on this..a lt of confusing nonsense..not the least of which is an Earl of liverpool that was not created until 1790 or thereabouts son of Robert and Dorothea Ashbourne 01.03 1658!!
Your baptism on the 6th September 1697 of THOMAS JENKINSON son of Richard and Dorothy..actually took place in the Parish of Shirley and is n the PR's for Shirley..not Cubley.
Most of the allegedly Cubley stuff is entered as Ashbourne..which is ok because Cubley is only 6 miles from Ashbourne..which is irrelevant IF your Thomas was baptised on the date you give.
Having said that.all the Jenkinson baptisms in Shirley (13) end in 1697..details to follow...
There is only one marriage in the Shirley PR's that of Elizabeth Jenkinson to Thomas Melland 18.11.1694...and onl NINE burials 1669 -1748.
So it loos as though the Jenkinson Clan upsticks and go..possibly to Cubley by 1700
Back to your Baptisms and children of Richard and Dorothy:
Dorothy 23.09.1679
Ann 05.11.1677
Elizabeth 20.11.1682 buried 08.11.1683
Susanna 19.11.1694
THOMAS 06.09.1697.......the last jenkinson birth in Shirley.

What you want to make of this i don't know..but I'll do a bit of work on it, and try to sort the wheat from the chaff.........
Derek
EDIT 1 ok..have cracked t..they moved to CUbley,where Thomas and his wife MARY nee BOURNE had loads of kids and Thomad ded at Cubley 1763.


EDIT.2.I have had a quick look at the distinguished career of Admiral Charles Saunders born in London
1715 to James Saunders...married Miss Buck of London 1751..with no Derbyshire connection I can see..he had no children and died 1775
.

many of my Jenkinsons are from Great Cubley or just Cubley I have Thomas Jenkinson born 1697 died 1763 wife Mary Bourne born 1701 died 1770 ------------

Thomas son of Richard and Dorothea Jenkinson if you have a marriage index
is Richard J and Dorothea on it ?? and any more of their children ?

This Jenkinson family are connected some where to Admiral Sir Charles Saunders -- when he died in 1775 in his will he left £1,000 pounds to each of Thomas and Mary Jenkinson children -- knowing the married names as well. He was an Uncle to them

Mavis

Jenny i have written you a PM, which you haven't opened yet..will you please confirm my findings, then i can send you a fuller version..just for a laugh.. David H Livingston.father of Thomas Henry..was,,in 1851..was "Top Boy" on the deck of HMS Sharpshooter..as it patrolled off the coast of West Africa..and HIS father was a coastguard........
Derek

Thank you Darek, will send photo and hope it is of interest - just dont know how you do it!!!!! :-)

Hello Chris...HUMPH!!..would i ever get cross with a fellow researcher!!''thank you for your entry re David h Livingstone...I have now got more or less the whole story up to the point that Thomas livingstones children Hilda E and Thomas W emigrated to Australia after about 1915...........
Thanks again..

Adds below, if any help...

(but frightened in case you're still cross with me Derek, cos' you found that Cambs. ancestor of yours in the Workhouse, lol lol)

Chris :)

09 September 1910 - Derbyshire Advertiser and Journal - Derby, Derbyshire

Death
Livingstone - Aug. 28, at 14, Warner-street, Derby, David Henry Livingstone, aged 67.

(some previous here!)

https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1191073?page=51

hEY HEY HEY!!// who's a naughtygirl then??? :-D supposing I told you that the dates for David H Livingstone 1843-1910 were so perfectly matched ...
tha I believe you gave me the dates NOT for Thomas Henry Livingstone, but for his parents!!!......and that Thomas was born in 1877 and joined the Lithgrapher's Trade Union in 1911..a year after his alleged death!! Derek......

Hi Jenny..I cannot find this chap anywhere on BMD 's or censuses...have tried trade Directories also......I need you to give me a bit of help as to origins and actuall when he was in Derby..He is so absent I'm working on the basis you have given me the wrong dates!!
EDIT I have found an almost perfect match for a David H Livingstone 1843-1910. died in Derby!!!.except he was a railway porter............have you any family names..siblings or ancestors???

Derek.