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I have
Thomas Ryman
Spouse Name: Mary Ann Rolfe
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 30 Nov 1834
Parish: Saint Mary, Newington
County: Middlesex
Borough: Southwark
but looking at the banns they dont give a great deal of info unlike later ones. The names of witnesses are Sarah Rolfe and what looks like Uriah Allender. Neither of these names I recognise or can fit in my tree anywhere.
the other issue I have is on the 1841 census I have him here ...
Thomas Ryman
Age: 30
Estimated birth year: abt 1811
Gender: Male
Where born: Surrey, England
Civil parish: St Giles Camberwell
Hundred: Brixton (Eastern Division)
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England
Street Address:
Occupation: View image
Registration district: Camberwell
Sub-registration district: Peckham
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
John Briggs 25
Sarah Briggs 20
>Thomas Ryman 30
>Mary Ann Ryman 25
>Henry Ryman 3
>Emma Ryman 1
in 1851
Thomas Ryman
Age: 45
Estimated birth year: abt 1806
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: Hertfordshire, England
Civil parish: Camberwell
Ecclesiastical parish: Camden
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England
Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Disability: View image
Registration district: Camberwell
Sub-registration district: Peckham
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 63
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Ryman 45
Mary Ryman 37
Henry Ryman 13
Thomas Ryman 7
Robert Ryman 5
Hannah Ryman 3
Jessy Ryman 3
Caleb Ryman 1
Note the DOB is different by 5/6 years and place of birth is different however the other info fits.
in 1861 he is lodging with his family at a house in Peckham
Thos Ryman
Age: 55
Relation: Lodger
Spouse's name: Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: Peckham, Surrey, England
Civil parish: Camberwell
Ecclesiastical parish: Camden
County/Island: Surrey
Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage: View image
Registration district: Camberwell
Sub-registration district: Peckham
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 148
Household Members: Name Age
Wm Ralph 46
Eliza Ralph 46
Jane A Ralph 13
Benj Ralph 11
Chas Ed Ralph 6
Jane E Ralph 2
Thos Ryman 55
Mary Ryman 46
Rob Ryman 15
Harl Ryman 14
Jessie Ryman 12
Caleb Ryman 10
I am lead to believe that
Thomas Ryman
Estimated birth year: abt 1805
Year of Registration: 1868
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Age at Death: 63
District: Camberwell
County: Greater London, London, Surrey
Volume: 1d
Page: 397 (click to see others on page)
Relates to him as on the 1871 census Mary is listed as Widow/head
What I am wondering is how would I go about finding his parents/Family do I head off down the Peckham route or the Hertfordshire route, I cant seem to find any birth registration that tallies up with the information. Ive used the rym* and Tho* trick, had dates every which way I can and am at a loss!!
Any pointers would be great.
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Hi Carrie,
have you come across this??
1841 England Census
about William Ryman
Name: William Ryman
Age: 25
Estimated birth year: abt 1816
Gender: Male
Where born: Surrey, England
Civil parish: St Giles Camberwell
Hundred: Brixton (Eastern Division)
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England
Street Address:
Occupation: View image
Registration district: Camberwell
Sub-registration district: Peckham
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
John Ryman 60 >>> Not born in County
William Ryman 25>>> Peckham
Caroline Ryman 25
John Ryman 8
Alfred Ryman 5
Caroline Ryman 6 Mo
John seems to be the only child of John and Martha Ryman, so I wondered if John could be Thomas's Uncle??? This could be Johns birth on the IGI;
JOHN RYMAN Pedigree
Male
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Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 11 FEB 1781 Aldbury, Hertford, England
Death:
Burial:
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Parents:
Father: JOHN RYMAN Family
Mother: MARLIN
Here's the others births for John and Marlin;
1. SARAH RYMAN - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 21 FEB 1773 Aldbury, Hertford, England
2. JOHN RYMAN - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 11 FEB 1781 Aldbury, Hertford, England
3. RACHAEL RYMAN - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 05 AUG 1770 Aldbury, Hertford, England
4. MARY RYMAN - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 10 MAR 1765 Aldbury, Hertford, England
5. ELIZABETH RYMAN - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 30 DEC 1579 Aldbury, Hertford, England
6. ANNE RYMAN - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 16 AUG 1767 Aldbury, Hertford, England
7. THOMAS RYMAN - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 12 FEB 1758 Aldbury, Hertford, England
8. THOMAS RYMAN - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 26 FEB 1775 Aldbury, Hertford, England
9. RICHARD RYMAN - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 11 JUL 1762 Aldbury, Hertford, England
Dee x
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Ahh that would explain alot, didnt realise they rounded it up or down! .. also answers a few other oddities in some other lines of the family.
That family look like they would be a great place to start, I Suppose alot of stuff will be speculation and guess work piecing them all together.
typing out loud .. so I need to find a link between Thomas' father and John Ryman ie brothers or cousins .. Thomas' father would have been born roughly 1786 at the latest ..... and knowing that Thomas is a name passed down to the son of the Thomas I am looking for ... Thomas Ryman B. 1775 could be a good contender for being his father.. as could Richard but he may well be that bit "too old" .. however I suppose the other possibility is his mother was an unmarried Ryman!
Thankyou for pointing those out ... I have just had a look for info about Albury and it seems to be a small village . are churches willing to offer information over phones or via the mail? or is it better to visit first hand? wonder if it may be handy to take a trip there and see if there is any more information I might pick up
many thanks again xx
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Hi,
I only came across John Ryman from Peckham........... so i wonder if his father made the move from Herts??
Like you say the family from Aldbury, could be a link......... Thomas moving from there to stay with Uncle John, but all speculation at the mo though.
It maybe worth contacting the Chuch, however I would try this first.......... there is this site;
http://www.ukvillages.co.uk
Type in Aldbury in the search bar they provide......... and they have a Heritage & Genealogy page, you may get lucky???
Dee xx
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Cheers for that link Dee, I have posted on the boards so you never know I might hear something.
Going to hunt for the church contacts in the morning with my fresh head on my shoulders!
thank you again xx
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