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I challenge some clever person to find Bella Davies (née James) before her death in 1856.

I know practically nothing about this lady, who I discovered only yesterday was my GGG grandfather's mother. All I know is the following:

John Davis (though usually spelt with an E) married Bella James 1804 in Woodchurch, Wirral. They had 10 children: Peter 1805, Edward 1806, Thomas 1808, John 1809, Thomas 1811, James 1814, Elizabeth 1816, William 1818, Meadows 1820, James 1824. All christened in Thurstaston, Wirral but other than that I know nothing of what happened to the siblings either (apart from Edward - see below)

Have found a death for John age 55 in Thurstaston 1836, making his birth c1780.

Have also found death for Arabella Davies in age 75 in Thurstaston 1856, so born c1780.

I believe these deaths could be my John and Bella. But the hard bit is that I can't find Bella/Arabella in 1841 or 1851, so would be very grateful if anyone could locate her. Even if she's not mine she must belong to someone and should be there somewhere.

Son Edward married Nancy in 1828 in Thurstaston and had his birth place as Woodchurch or Irby on the various census. He died 1879 and I have all the info I need about him and his descendants.

If Bella could be found that would be great, especially if she's living with family.

Also if anyone could find her birth since I don't have any parents or siblings for her.

Many many thanks in advance.

Only one person named Davies in Thurstaston in 1841

Ellen Davies abt 1823 Thurstaston, Cheshire (not born in County)

Posting Edward's info for 1851 - the child named Isabella could - perhaps - be named after his mother. Bella is/was a common diminutive for Isabella - (My aunt was one)

Name: Edward Davies
Age: 44
Estimated birth year: abt 1807
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Nancy
Gender: Male
Where born: Woodchurch, Cheshire, England

Civil parish: Grange
Ecclesiastical parish: West Kirby
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England
Registration district: Wirral Street Indexed
Sub-registration district: Woodchurch
ED, institution, or vessel: 12, 17, 16, and 15
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 2
Household Members: Name Age
Edward Davies 44
Nancy Davies 44
Joseph Davies 10
Isabella Davies 7
Mary Davies 5
Sarah Davies 2

Possible?? Image is poor but could be Davies. Some childrens names OK

1841 England Census
about Isabella Davern
Name: Isabella Davern
Age: 55
Estimated birth year: abt 1786
Gender: Female
Where born: Cheshire, England

Civil parish: Heswall
Hundred: Wirrall (Lower Division)
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation: View image

Registration district: Wirral
Sub-registration district: Weston
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Isabella Davern 55
William Davern 20
Mendows Davern 15
Joseph Davern 15




Andy

crikey that was quick - thank you
had just popped to kitchen for coffee

These are off familysearch.org which is free to search.

JOHN DAVIES
Male
Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
Death:
Burial:
Marriages:
Spouse: BELLA JAMES
Marriage: 04 JUN 1804 Woodchurch, Cheshire, England

Record submitted after 1991 by a member of the LDS Church. No additional information is available. Ancestral File may list the same family and the submitter.

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Peter Davis - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 28 JAN 1806 Thurstaston, Cheshire, England
Parents:
Father: John Davis
Mother: Bella

John Davis - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 19 MAR 1809 Thurstaston, Cheshire, England
Parents:
Father: John Davis
Mother: Bella

Thomas Davis - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 22 SEP 1811 Thurstaston, Cheshire, England
Parents:
Father: John Davis
Mother: Bella

Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date



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Microfilm copy of original record in the Cheshire Record Office, Chester, England.
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Cheshire Record Office no.: P48/1/1-2, P48/2, P48/3/1-2, P48/5693.

Could be Meadows from 1851

1851 England Census
about Meadaar Davies
Name: Meadaar Davies
Age: 29
Estimated birth year: abt 1822
Relation: Brother
Gender: Male
Where born: Thrapston, Cheshire, England

Civil parish: Liverpool
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View image

Registration district: Liverpool
Sub-registration district: Mount Pleasant
ED, institution, or vessel: 1y
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 292
Household Members: Name Age
Samuel Hancok 40
Elizabeth Hancok 35
Martha Hancok 6
Agnes Elizabh Hancok 2
>>>>Meadaar Davies 29
Malden James 70

Andy

Andy
spot on, thank you
have looked at image and it's definitely them
you've got fresher eyes than me, LOL !!

ooh and sister Elizabeth in 1851 - well done

but what about Bella in 1851?

Death?????

Name: Isabella Davies
Year of Registration: 1849
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Wirral (1837-1974)
County: Cheshire
Volume: 19
Page: 236

thanks freewheel but that isabella was aged 6, so not mine

Possible for son Peter

1851 England Census
about Peter Davies
Name: Peter Davies
Age: 45
Estimated birth year: abt 1806
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Elizabeth
Gender: Male
Where born: Thurstaston, Cheshire, England

Civil parish: Willaston
Ecclesiastical parish: Neston
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View image

Registration district: Wirral
Sub-registration district: Neston
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 35
Household Members: Name Age
Peter Davies 45
Elizabeth Davies 44
Elizabeth Davies 13
Martha Davies 10
Charles Davies 8
Isabella Davies 4




Andy

...and for son James. More Isabellas in childrens names

1851 England Census
about James Davies
Name: James Davies
Age: 36
Estimated birth year: abt 1815
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: Thurstaston, Cheshire, England

Civil parish: Gayton
Ecclesiastical parish: Heswall
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View image

Registration district: Wirral
Sub-registration district: Neston
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 91
Household Members: Name Age
James Davies 36
Mary Davies 43
Sarah Davies 10
Isabella Davies 10
Mary Davies 8
John Davies 7
Fanny Davies 5
Joseph Davies 1




Andy

Have just checked that 1851 image posted by Andy.

Malden James is actually ARABELLA !!!

It states her as 'step mother' widow, born Caernarvon.

I don't understand though why she should have the name James rather that 'Davies' ???

Must be worth working on though? The age is right and it would also fit that death you found !

Dea x

Oh Dea
you're right - what a star !!
mmm, like you said wonder why she reverted to maiden name of james not davies?!

Actually Cagsie, looking at that image again (which is extremely poor), I believe it 'could' actually say Davis/Davies !!

I think it is confusing us as it has been mistranscribed as what was her maiden name.

If you compare all the 'D's on the page, they each have different 'swirly' bits.

Also, there is a Jones family below and the 'J' is completely different ! - Her name has certainly not been written as 'James' !

Taking into account that his pen is definately on it's 'last legs' - can you see that the first letter of her name could very well be a 'D' where the 'swirly bit' has not connected to the paper from his nib ?

If you try to visualise the other 'D's without their 'swirlies' they are exactly the same and the rest of the word fits with the 'avis' bit?

Can you see what I mean - It is very difficult to explain but I can see it - Can you?

Dea x

yes Dea
I see what you mean - and agree
I've had a Davies in the past transcribed as Barlow, believe it or not, due to the "swirly" bits

thanks for taking the time to look - do you think it really is carnarvon though?

I think it is Carnarvon or Carnarvonshire - I can't read it as anything else but it is VERY bad writing !

I see the 1841 has her born in Cheshire but 1851 definately doesn't say Cheshire - this enumerator tends to put the County first, then the place and ditto the County if it is the same as the one above. This does not indicate any relationship to Cheshire!

Dea x

thanks everyone - that's fantastic