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Please can anyone see my grandfather on the free look up facility. He was called Herbert Holgate born 1902, I think in Thorne near Doncaster in Yorkshire. I've tried as many options as I can think of, but to no avail!
Thank you so very much, from Beryl

Beryl, have you got his marriage cert? it would help to have his father's name.
If you are unsure of his birthplace, have a care, there are a couple of possible herberts around!
jan

Hello Brummieann and thank you for replying. I haven't got Herbert's certificate but I do know his Dad was Richard Holgate and his Mum was Sophia Holgate from Thorne.

Thank you, from Beryl

Ricahrd and Sophia minus kids! Says they have 4:

HOLGATE, Richard Head M 53 1858 Hay Cutter Yorks Thorne England VIEW
HOLGATE, Sophia Wife F 53 1858 Yorks Thorne England VIEW

Registration District:
Thorne Sub District:
Thorne EnumerationDistrict:
12 Parish:
Thorne

Address:
Bridge St Thorne

Just a possibility - have put it as Sophia and Richard are quite mature to have a child born 1902, and they had been maried 35 years by 1911:

HOLGATE, Sarah Head Widow F 79 1832 Keeps Home Yorks Bramley VIEW
HOLGATE, Hannah Daughter Single F 56 1855 Woollen Weaver Yorks Bramley VIEW
HOLGATE, Herbert Grandson Single M 27 1884 Boot Finisher Yorks Bramley VIEW
HOLGATE, Kate Granddaughter Single F 27 1884 Woollen Weaver Yorks Bramley VIEW
HOLGATE, Eva Granddaughter F 9 1902 Scgool Girl Leicester Leicester VIEW

Registration District:
Bramley Sub District:
Bramley EnumerationDistrict:
5 Parish:
Armley and Bramley

Address:
1 Prospect Terrace Bramley County:
Yorkshire (West riding)

You know, I would be tempted to get his marriage cert - nice to have and would establish his age.
I wouldn't be surprised if he were older than you think - this must be his parents' marriage (if your info is correct of course!!):

Marriages Jun 1878 (>99%)
Barley Sophia Thorne 9c 848
HOLGATE Richard Thorne 9c 848
MASON Alfred Thorne 9c 848
Stones Penelope Thorne 9c 848
Jan

Hello Brummiejan (sorry I called you Ann last night, sorry!).
Yes, that's Herbert Holgate's parents marriage. I've just double checked on free bmd for Herbert's birth year and it is 1902 and I know on his headstone when he died in 1984 he was 82 years old. I know he had much older sisters too.
Having said all that I just couldn't find him on the 1911 index.
I sincerely am grateful for all your time and help, thank you from Beryl

Hello Brummiejan (sorry I called you Ann last night, sorry!).
Yes, that's Herbert Holgate's parents marriage. I've just double checked on free bmd for Herbert's birth year and it is 1902 and I know on his headstone when he died in 1984 he was 82 years old. I know he had much older sisters too.
Having said all that I just couldn't find him on the 1911 index.
I sincerely am grateful for all your time and help, thank you from Beryl

I would buy his birth cert if I were you because as there were older daughters it's possible he was a child of one of them.

Christine

There's something strange if they supposedly only had 4 children as stated in 1911.

According to the 1881 they were born earlier too.

1881

HOLGATE, Richard Head Married M 28 1853 General Labourer
Thorne
Yorkshire
HOLGATE, Sophia Wife Married F 26 1855 Labourers Wife
Thorne
Yorkshire
BARLEY, Stephen Boarder Single M 29 1852 General Labourer
Thorne
Yorkshire



1891

HOLGATE, Richard Head Married M 31 1860 Labourer Hay Cutter
Thorne
Yorkshire
HOLGATE, Sophia Wife Married F 31 1860
Thorne
Yorkshire
HOLGATE, Edith Daughter F 9 1882 Scholar
Thorne
Yorkshire
HOLGATE, Annie Daughter F 6 1885 Scholar
Thorne
Yorkshire
HOLGATE, Rhoda Daughter F 4 1887
Thorne
Yorkshire
HOLGATE, Kate Daughter F 0 (10M) 1891
Thorne
Yorkshire

RG number:
RG12 Piece:
3869 Folio:
140 Page:
13

Registration District:
Thorne Sub District:
Thorne EnumerationDistrict:
12 Ecclesiastical Parish:
Thorne

Civil Parish:
Thorne Municipal Borough:
Address:
Overtons Row, Back Street, Thorne County:
Yorkshire (West Riding)







1901

HOLGATE, Richard Head Married M 43 1858 Hay Cutter
Thorne
Yorkshire
HOLGATE, O Wife Married F 42 1859
Thorne
Yorkshire
HOLGATE, C Son Single M 14 1887 Scholar
Thorne
Yorkshire
HOLGATE, R Son Single M 9 1892 Scholar
Sedegefield Sunderland
Durham VIEW
HOLGATE, Tom Son Single M 7 1894 Scholar
Thorne
Yorkshire
HOLGATE, Dora Daughter Single F 5 1896 Scholar
Thorne
Yorkshire
HOLGATE, Sam Son Single M 2 1899
Sunderland Sedgefield
Yorkshire

Christine

Personally I would get his marriage cert first - you re sure about that I imagine, and his age and father's name will be there to narrow down his birth.
Jan

Hello Christine and Brummiejan,
Sorry I'm only just getting back to you (I've had a full day out with my daughter and granddaughter!)
Thank you for taking the time to do look ups for me.
The 1881 census shows a Stephen Barley and I think he was probably Sophia's brother as her maiden name was Barley.
The 1891 census shows 4 daughters and my mum remembers them as her Aunts.
The 1901 census is a mystery to me. I'm certainly going to take both your advice and buy the certificates because I think there's some more research to be done on this one and it's come right out of the blue!
Thank you again ladies, take care from Beryl x

Hi Beryl,

Let us know on the thread the details from the certs and if you need any more help.

In 1901 the daughter Rhoda is with her married sister Edith in Sedgefield.

Christine

Hello again Christine
Thank you for your reply and I'll keep you posted on this one.
Take care from Beryl in a very snowy Yorkshire, UK (9 am Sunday) x

RICHARD HOLGATE Pedigree
Male


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Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 04 SEP 1859 Thorne, Yorkshire, England

Death:
Burial:
Parents:
Father: CHARLES HOLGATE Family
Mother: JANE

Hello again Christine
Thank you for your reply and I'll keep you posted on this one.
Take care from Beryl in a very snowy Yorkshire, UK (9 am Sunday) x