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Hugh
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18 Feb 2010 18:13 |
I believe my great grandfather John Ritchie , shoemaker (journeyman) and his wife Bathea Balfour Duthie lived in Shore Street, Rosehearty in 1866. Does anyone have a connection? Hugh
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GlitterBaby
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18 Feb 2010 18:14 |
Do you mean Rosehearty near Fraserburgh ?
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18 Feb 2010 18:15 |
where is Roseharty please?
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GlitterBaby
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18 Feb 2010 18:17 |
1871 just for info
Name: John Ritchie Age: 33 Estimated birth year: abt 1838 Relationship: Head Spouse's name : Bathia Gender: Male Where born: Rosehearty, Aberdeen Registration Number: 233 Registration district: Pitsligo Civil parish: Pitsligo Town: Rosehearty County: Aberdeenshire Address: North Street Occupation: Shoemaker (master) ED: 1 Household schedule number: 39 Line: 8 Roll: CSSCT1871_42 Household Members: Name Age John Ritchie 33 Bathia Ritchie 33 Mary Ritchie 12 Margaret Ritchie 8 Beatrice Ritchie 6 John Ritchie 4 Catherine Ritchie 2 Bethia Ritchie 5 Mo
Have you tried to search trees on this site?
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rootgatherer
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18 Feb 2010 18:17 |
If you are looking for someone who has these people in their tree, then you need to search trees on here.
If you are looking for ancestors you need to say what information you already have and where you have looked.
Thank you.
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18 Feb 2010 18:25 |
1851
Name: John Ritchie Age: 13 Estimated birth year: abt 1838 Relationship: Son Father's Name: John Mother's Name: Catherine Gender: Male Where born: Rosehearty, Aberdeenshire Parish Number: 233 Civil parish: Pitsligo Town: Rosehearty County: Aberdeenshire Address: Rosehearty Occupation: Scholar ED: 1 Page: 10 (click to see others on page) Household schedule number: 49 Line: 8 Roll: CSSCT1851_50 Household Members: Name Age John Ritchie 41 Catherine Ritchie 40 John Ritchie 13 William Ritchie 12 Ann Ritchie 9 David Ritchie 7 Eliza Ritchie 4 Alexander Ritchie 2 Source Citation: Parish: Pitsligo; ED: 1; Page: 8; Line: 10; Roll 714; Year: 1851.
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18 Feb 2010 18:55 |
1881 just posting for info
Name: John Ritchie Age: 14 Estimated birth year: abt 1867 Relationship: Son Father's Name: John Mother's Name: Bethia Gender: Male Where born: Rosehearty, Aberdeenshire Registration Number: 233 Registration district: Pitsligo Civil parish: Pitsligo Town: Rosehearty County: Aberdeenshire Occupation: Tailor ED: 2 Household schedule number: 59 Line: 24 Roll: cssct1881_68 Household Members: Name Age John Ritchie 43 Bethia Ritchie 42 Beatrice Ritchie 16 John Ritchie 14 Catherine Ritchie 12 Bethia Ritchie 10 Elice Ritchie 8 Jane Ritchie 5 Alexander Ritchie 3 Hannah Ritchie 10 Mo
What is the occupation of John b1867 on his marriage cert?
1891 poss Name: John Ritchie Age: 24 Estimated birth year: abt 1867 Relationship: Head Spouse's name : Margaret Gender: Male Where born: Aberdeen Shire, Rosehearty Registration Number: 272 Registration district: Arbroath Civil parish: Arbroath and St Vigeans Town: Arbroath County: Angus Address: 43 Culloden Rd Occupation: Boot & Shoe Finisher ED: 18 Household schedule number: 70 Line: 24 Roll: CSSCT1891_82 Household Members: Name Age John Ritchie 24 Margaret Ritchie 22
1901 Name: John Ritchie Age: 34 Estimated birth year: abt 1867 Relationship: Head Spouse's name : Margaret Gender: Male Where born: S Rosehearly, Aberdeen Registration Number: 272/1 Registration district: Arbroath Civil parish: St Vigeans Town: Arbroath County: Angus Address: 40 Fergus Sqr Occupation: Boot Finisher ED: 23 Household schedule number: 40 Line: 1 Roll: CSSCT1901_86 Household Members: Name Age John Ritchie 34 Margaret Ritchie 32 Maggie Ritchie 9 Alexina Ritchie 6 William Ritchie 2 Edwin John Ritchie 10 m
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GlitterBaby
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18 Feb 2010 19:16 |
Hugh
I am struggling with this one.
You say occupation on marriage cert is Post Office Telephone Service but that does not match so far any census I have found.
What is his age on the marriage cert and does it match the 1871 or 1881 census at all? What is the name & occupation of his father on the marriage cert?
Maureen
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Hugh
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18 Feb 2010 19:26 |
His occupation on marriage cert (Newton Abbot, Devon, 1912) is 'Post Office Telephone Service'. An entry in 1911 census shows him in Barnstable, Devon occupation 'Telephone canvasser' Hugh
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GlitterBaby
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18 Feb 2010 19:33 |
What is his age and place of birth on 1911 census?
Was he a batchelor or widower when he married?
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18 Feb 2010 20:18 |
Here is the marriage.
JOHN RITCHIE Pedigree Male Family Event(s): Birth: Christening: Death: Burial: Marriages: Spouse: BETHIA BALFOUR DUTHIE Family Marriage: 19 DEC 1861 Pitsligo, Aberdeen, Scotland
I'm confused though. Who got married in 1912? Was it one of the children? I can't find anyone matching the names in Barnstable in 1911.
Liz
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18 Feb 2010 23:10 |
In 1871, the parents were born in Rosehearty, Mary in Fraserburgh, and the rest in Pitsligo. I'm not sure who Mary's parents were - the IGI shows the rest are John + Bathia's kids.
You quote their 1866 addy - I presume this is from John's b.cert. Do you have John & Bathia/Bethia's 1861 m.cert - I presume this shows the parents as John + Catharine Ritchie MS Scott and John + Elizabeth Duthie MS Downie What is John`s marital status on the m.cert?
There are 1841/51 transcriptions of Pitsligo at: http://www.freecen.org.uk/cgi/search.pl
Father John Ritchie, the cooper, is easy to find. I think someone (possibly the enumerator) got muddled between John & William in 1841. The IGI gives their dobs as 2/8/1837 (Jno) & 4/3/1839 (Wm) batch#=c112336. John Duthie is probably at sea, but Bathia is easy to find. I had heard that Elizabeth and Beatrix were occassionally synonyms, but hadn't ever seen this.
The IGI does have a submitted death (10 JAN 1865 Pitsligo, Aberdeen, Scotland a=66) for a Beatrix Downie d/o George + Margaret Downie MS Ritchie. One wonders if this info was gotten from a d.cert.
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18 Feb 2010 23:25 |
I think this is the marriage ??
Marriages Dec 1912 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ritchie John Williams Newton A. 5b 327 Williams Elizabeth E Ritchie Newton A 5b 327
Had a couple of pm's this afternoon from Hugh
John Ritchie you have listed seems to be the one. In fact at this stage I'm trying to find more info on his youngest son John age 4 in 1871 which would tie in with his date of birth being 1866. John the youngest could be my grandfather but all I know is that in 1911 census he was in Barnstable, Devon and then in Newton Abbot in 1912 where he married and had a daughter. I cannot trace him before or after these dates. Any suggestions?
Just to show why I was asking so many questions
Maureen
the occupation of John b1867 on his marriage cert 'post Office Telepnone Service'
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mgnv
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19 Feb 2010 00:20 |
Results for: Aberdeen, Scotland, British Isles Father: John Ritchie, Mother: Bathia Duthie Exact Spelling: Off Batch Number: c112331
International Genealogical Index / British Isles - 6 Select records to download - (50 maximum) 1. BETHIA BALFOUR RITCHIE - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Birth: 19 OCT 1870 Pitsligo, Aberdeen, Scotland 2. MARGARET WILSON RITCHIE - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Birth: 28 NOV 1862 Pitsligo, Aberdeen, Scotland 3. CATHERINE RITCHIE - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Birth: 02 OCT 1868 Pitsligo, Aberdeen, Scotland 4. BEATRICE DUTHIE RITCHIE - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Birth: 02 JUN 1864 Pitsligo, Aberdeen, Scotland 5. ALICE ELIZABETH STEPHEN RITCHIE - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Birth: 09 SEP 1872 Pitsligo, Aberdeen, Scotland 6. JOHN RITCHIE - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Birth: 05 JUN 1866 Pitsligo, Aberdeen, Scotland
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mgnv
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19 Feb 2010 00:44 |
1911 HOUSEHOLD RITCHIE JOHN M 1866 45 Barnstaple Devonshire Relationship To Head BOARDER Occupation TELEPHONE* Birth Place SCOTLAND County Devonshire Census Reference RD284
The rest of the h/h is: HOUSEHOLD VICKERY GEORGE E M 1871 40 Barnstaple Devonshire HOUSEHOLD VICKERY MARY A F 1871 40 Barnstaple Devonshire HOUSEHOLD VICKERY ELLEN F 1892 19 Barnstaple Devonshire HOUSEHOLD VICKERY GEORGE M 1896 15 Barnstaple Devonshire HOUSEHOLD VICKERY FLORENCE F 1899 12 Barnstaple Devonshire HOUSEHOLD VICKERY HILDA F 1906 5 Barnstaple Devonshire HOUSEHOLD VICKERY CAROLINE F 1908 3 Barnstaple Devonshire
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rootgatherer
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19 Feb 2010 10:54 |
Hugh
On the 1912 marriage certificate what is the name and occupation of John's father? Where did you get the information that John and Bathea were his parents? Have you just looked for a John Ritchie of the correct year of birth on the census records? What records do you have that give his place of birth other than just Scotland (as in the 1911 census)?
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Hugh
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19 Feb 2010 15:05 |
The 1912 marriage cert gives John’s father as John Ritchie, deceased. The 1911 census gives John’s birthplace as Scotland, Aberdeen. Given that John’s year of birth was 1866 (based on the 1911 census entry) I viewed all the entries for John Ritchie born in that year in Statutory Births and he was the only one whose father was John Ritchie. Mother: Bathea Balfour Duthie.
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Hugh
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22 Feb 2010 10:22 |
I have researched all John Ritchie whose year of birth was 1865-1867 born Aberdeen with father John Ritchie and concluded he was the one you have all identified in the 1871,1881,1891 & 1901 census's (mother Bathia Balfour Duthie). Further research shows this to be incorrect as he died (08.08.1942) in Arbroath still married to Margaret.
I based his year of birth (1866) on his age given as 45 on the 1911 census entry for Barnstable, Devon. I am pretty sure this is my John because in 1912 he married Elizabeth Ellen Williams in Newton Abbot, Devon. Curiously he gave his age on the marriage cert as 40 which would mean he was born in 1872.
I am now trying to find John Ritchie with father John Ritchie born in Aberdeen in 1872. Any help would be much appreciated!
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rootgatherer
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22 Feb 2010 11:11 |
Hugh
Can you refresh my memory please? Did John give an occupation for his father John (deceased) on his marriage certificate please. I know Scottish certificates still give the father's occupation even if he is deceased.
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Hugh
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22 Feb 2010 11:34 |
The marriage cert was issued in England and gives only the father's name as 'John Ritchie' & his rank or profession as 'deceased'. Not very helpful!
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