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Well ladies I have finally got Thomas' marriage certificate [15 March 1852] and although I wasn't expecting to see a fathers name listed there was one!
Thomas Hanson, Labourer. Very like the Hudson I thought the 51 census said don't you think?
Anyway thanks for the help you gave me
Patricia:)

THOMAS HAYESDEN Pedigree
Male

Christening: 30 OCT 1803 Frant, Sussex, England

Parents:
Father: JOHN HAYESDEN Family
Mother: ESTHER
Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record

Source Information:
Batch No.:

J148461 1543 - 1881 1067357 Film NONE


Possible father for Thomas?

http://theweald.org/N10.asp?NId=3510

Jane Stapely [Meopham] [Baker], daughter of Isaac Baker and Hannah Baker [King] Printer friendly version

Date Type Information Source

1807 Born In the Parish of Frant, Sussex IGI
Ref: Batch K148461

30th Aug 1807 Christened At St Albans Parish Church in the Parish of Frant, Sussex IGI
Ref: Batch K148461

23rd Oct 1832 Married Matthew Meopham at St Albans Parish Church in the Parish of Frant, Sussex Frant Marriage Registers

1833 Birth of a son Mark in the Parish of Frant, Sussex 1851 Census
Frant, Sussex

1841 Census At Frant Forest in the Parish of Frant, Sussex; Jane Mepham, F, Head, age 33, born Sussex; occupation Independent 1841 Census
Frant, Sussex

27th Dec 1841 Married Thomas Stapely at St Albans Parish Church in the Parish of Frant, Sussex IGI
Ref: Batch M148462

Apr to June 1843 Birth of a son John in the Parish of Frant, Sussex; registered at Ticehurst District, Sussex; ref: 1843 Q2 Vol 7 Page 453 1851 Census
Frant, Sussex

1844 Birth of a son Bartholomew in the Parish of Frant, Sussex IGI
Ref: Batch J148463

1846 Birth of a daughter Jane in the Parish of Frant, Sussex 1851 Census
Frant, Sussex

1851 Census At Tangear Road in the Parish of Frant, Sussex; Wife 1851 Census
Frant, Sussex

1851 Census At Bells Yew Green in the Parish of Frant, Sussex; Niece; occupation HOUSEKEEPER 1851 Census
Frant, Sussex

He is on Sussex Weald genealogy site but no tree for him.

Thomas Hudson Baker



1830 Born In the Country of France 1851 Census
Frant, Sussex

1851 Census At Tangear Road in the Parish of Frant, Sussex; Son-in-law; occupation SWEEP 1851 Census
Frant, Sussex

Yes that is Jane with her 2nd husband........

It was odd as I had been looking for the 1841 census for Thomas for a while, but there were too many to choose from, in fact I had more or less decided he must still be in France, then I found the baptism in Frant, and everything else fell into place, his mother, her siblings and her parents! I was careful at first but when you consider I knew he was a sweep, it seemed so obvious I wonder how I'd missed it!

Just as a little aside, the chimney sweeping continued right down to my father, and I still have the brushes, and di ours until we moved 10 years ago!

edit - Gwen I was wondering that myself, hoping to get down that way for a few days as I have a lot from the Kent, Surrey and Sussex areas

It might be useful to view the actual baptism register or film of it. There may be added information about the child's father.

Gwyn

This one is interesting

1841 census - household transcription
Person: MEPHAM, Jane
Address: Frant Forest, Frant
STAPLEY, Thomas M 53 1788 Sussex VIEW
STAPLEY, Margarett F 13 1828 Sussex VIEW
MEPHAM, Jane F 33 1808 Sussex VIEW
MEPHAM, Mark M 7 1834 Sussex VIEW
AUSTIN, Elizabeth F 85 1756 Sussex

Well looking at that it is clear that he was consistent. He was in a group of people from Frant and the enumerator did not get the wrong. Records from France are not my speciality. I would love a few tips on those for several of mine.

I’m sorry I am not ignoring you, but I’m at work on a pc that is not playing ball today.

Ladykira, what can I say!! Although I did say I had the census, but thank you anyway it did confirm my research.

But that is interesting about the Hudson, you found, but I have no way to prove it sadly

Jane is not the one on the 1841 census, though as by then she had been married, and widowed, and was living with her next husband, although not yet married. She died in 1860 and her other 3 children was taken in by her brothers.
Thomas himself died in 1897, and oddly his wife in the 1901 census is living a few doors away from a member of another branch of my family

And yes that is the baptism you have.

this is the baptism

IGI Individual Record FamilySearch™
THOMAS BAKER Pedigree
Male
Christening: 03 JUN 1832 Frant, Sussex, England

Parents:
Mother: JANE BAKER Family

Extracted birth or christening record
Source Information:
Batch No.:

J148463

He is deceased by 1901

1901 census - household transcription
Person: BAKER, Elizabeth
Address: 46, Taylor Street, Southborough
BAKER, Elizabeth Head Widow F 68 1833 Charwoman
Tunbridge Wells
Kent VIEW
BAKER, George Grand Son Single M 10 1891
Woodford
Essex

1891 census - household transcription
Person: BAKER, Elizabeth
Address: 46, Taylor Street, Tunbridge, Southborough, Tunbridge Wells
BAKER, Thomas Head Married M 61 1830 Chimney Sweep
France British Subject VIEW
BAKER, Elizabeth Wife Married F 58 1833
Tunbridge Wells
Kent

1871 census -
Address: Lamberhurst, Lamberhurst
BAKER, Thomas Head M 41 1830 France
BAKER, Elizabeth A Wife F 39 1832 Kent
BAKER, George Son M 10 1861 Sussex
BAKER, Walter Son M 8 1863 Sussex
BAKER, Samuel Son M 6 1865 Sussex
BAKER, Mary Alice Daughter F 0 1871

This might help with his father

Th only Hudson I have found so far so worth a look.

1871 census - household transcription
Person: HUDSON, Jesse
Address: Gun Inn, Frant
HOOKER, Robert Head M 50 1821 Sussex VIEW
HOOKER, Mary Niece F 37 1834 Sussex VIEW
PAWLEY, Ann Assistant F 40 1831 Sussex VIEW
HUDSON, Jesse Servant M 60 1811 Sussex VIEW
STIRTON, John Visitor M 34 1837 Scotland

Is this him with his uncle?

1841 census - household transcription
Person: BAKER, Joseph
Address: Wells Road, Frant
BAKER, Joseph M 20 1821 Sussex
BAKER, Jane F 20 1821 Sussex
BAKER, Thomas M 10 1831

Name: Jane Baker
Age: 30
Estimated birth year: abt 1811
Gender: Female
Where born: Sussex, England
Address: Sandown Cottage, Frant
Moss Baker 70
Jane Baker 30
Daniel Dickenson 74
Harriet Fordman 15
George Carr 22


So Thomas is not with her 1841

1861 census -
Address: Wheybourn Cottage, Strawberry Gardens, Frant
BAKER, Robert Head Married M 48 1813 Farm Labourer
Frant
Sussex
BAKER, Sarah Wife Married F 51 1810
Wadhurst
Sussex
BAKER, Edward Son M 12 1849 Scholar
Frant
Sussex
BAKER, Caroline Daughter F 9 1852 Scholar
Frant
Sussex
STAPLEY, John Nephew Unmarried M 18 1843 Farm Labourer
Frant
Sussex

this must fit in somewhere

1861 census - household transcription
Address: Frant Road, Frant
BAKER, Joseph Head Married M 43 1818 Chimney Sweeper
Frant
Sussex
BAKER, Frances Wife Married F 34 1827
Burwash
Sussex
BAKER, Joseph Son Unmarried M 16 1845 ...
Frant
Sussex
BAKER, William Son Unmarried M 14 1847 ...
Frant
Sussex
STAPLEY, Jane Niece Unmarried F 15 1846 Scholar
Frant
Sussex

I would be surprised if the ame error was made in all the censuses.

1851 census - household transcription
Person: BAKER, Thomas Herdson
Address: Tangear Road, Frant
STAPELY, Thomas Head Married M 62 1789 Pauper Gardener
Frant
Sussex
STAPELY, Jane Wife Married F 42 1809 Pauper Wife
Frant
Sussex
BAKER, Thomas Herdson Son In Law Unmarried M 21 1830 Sweep
Calais
France
MEPHAM, Mark Son In Law Unmarried M 18 1833 Sweeps Labourer
Frant
Sussex
STAPELY, John Son M 9 1842 Scholar
Frant
Sussex
STAPELY, Jane Daughter F 5 1846
Frant
Sussex

for reference

1881 census - household transcription
Person: BAKER, Thomas
Address: 7, Alma Tavern Common Lodging House, Varney St, Tunbridge
BREWER, David Head Married M 40 1841 Beer House Keeper
Hackney
Middlesex VIEW
BREWER, Elizabeth Other Married F 33 1848
Lewes
Sussex VIEW
BREWER, William Son Single M 13 1868 Scholar
Tunbridge Wells
Kent VIEW
BREWER, Ellen Daughter Single F 11 1870 Scholar
Tunbridge Wells
Kent VIEW
BREWER, Tilly Daughter Single F 8 1873 Scholar
Tunbridge Wells
Kent VIEW
BREWER, Frank Son Single M 2 1879
Tunbridge Wells
Kent VIEW
BREWER, Fanny Daughter Single F 0 1881
Tunbridge Wells
Kent VIEW
TESTER, John Lodger Married M 56 1825 Labourer
Buxted
Sussex VIEW
DALTON, George Lodger Married M 45 1836 Labourer
Withyhouse
Sussex VIEW
BAKER, Thomas Lodger Married M 54 1827 Chimney Sweeper
Paris (British Subject)
France VIEW
MARTIN, Richard Lodger Widower M 42 1839 Labourer
Tunbridge
Kent VIEW
BROWN, John Lodger Widower M 40 1841 Plaisterer
London, London
Middlesex VIEW
JOHNSON, Robert Lodger Single M 41 1840 Groom
Scotland VIEW
REED, John Lodger Single M 35 1846 Agricultural Laborer
VIEW
BRANDON, George Lodger Married M 41 1840 Boot Maker
Chesham
Buckinghamshire VIEW
BRENNAN, James Lodger Single M 41 1840 Painter
Brighton
Sussex VIEW
TESTER, Elizabeth Lodger Married F 44 1837 Hawker
Gaston
Yorkshire