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looking for George Hill, profession Coiner at the Mint about 1895
info found on marriage cert of his son John Hill in Australia in 1895. any help welcome. Clive

It would be easier to find him with his Son John on census if we had when and where John was born please..

Could look forever otherwise...

john hill born 1873, from his death certificate, place of birth given as london. He was (oral history) a cabin boy who arrived in Queensland in 1887, travelled to Western Australia in 1891, married in WA in 1895. On this basis he would have been 14 when he arrived in Queensland so it would be likely that he could have been born prior to 1873 rather than later. Death cert shows death as 1946 age 73 years. Fathers name given as George on both marriage and Death certs. Mothers name given as Catherine Williamson on Death cert, hope this helps.....Clive

It will help with the search a lot..
As long as he was telling the truth of course !
And informants on his death cert knew facts for sure.
Off to look..

There are no marriages to a Catherine Williamson that I can find ,but there is this on Freebmd..

Marriages Jun 1866
HILLS George Hackney 1b 670
Williamson Sarah A Hackney 1b 670

Which is this one on Ancestry

Name: Sarah Ann Williamson
Spouse Name: George Hill
Spouse Age: Full Age
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 9 Apr 1866
Parish: St Paul
County: Middlesex
Borough: Hackney
Father Name: John Williamson
Spouse Father Name: John Hill

Groom is a Cheesemongers assistant of Full age (over 21) of West Hackney

Bride is of full age and same address.
Father John Williamson is a Brewers Servant and John Hill is a Boot maker.
Wits are
M Davis and E Brown, I think it says Brown.

This is them in 1881 and I have not been able to find son John 1873 ish with parents George and Catherine at all in the right place or timescale.

.HILL, George Head Married M 39 1842 General Dealer
St Pancras
Middlesex
HILL, Sarah Wife Married F 33 1848
Shoreditch
Middlesex
HILL, George Son Single M 15 1866 Labourer
Shoreditch
Middlesex
HILL, John Son Single M 9 1872 Scholar
Shoreditch
Middlesex
HILL, James Son Single M 4 1877 Scholar
Shoreditch
Middlesex
HILL, Joseph Son Single M 1 1880
Shoreditch
Middlesex
RG number:
RG11 Piece:
400 Folio:
69 Page:
51

Registration District:
Shoreditch Sub District:
Haggerston Enumeration District:
Ecclesiastical Parish:

Civil Parish:
Shoreditch Municipal Borough:
Address:
3, Barton Court, Shoreditch County:
Middlesex


On 1891 John is gone and George has died.

HILL, Sarah Widow F 45 1846 Green Grocer
London
HILL, James Son Single M 14 1877 Scholar
Hoxton
London
HILL, Joseph Son Single M 11 1880 Scholar
Hoxton
London
GRUN, Harry Lodger Single M 22 1869 Potman
Clerkenwell
London
GRUN, Leonard Boarder Single M 20 1871 Carman
Clerkenwell
London
HILL, Frederick Cousin Single M 23 1868 Greengrocer
Hoxton
London
BANNISTER, Stephen Boarder Single M 21 1870 Fish Porter
London
RG number:
RG12 Piece:
251 Folio:
55 Page:
43

Registration District:
Shoreditch Sub District:
Haggerston Enumeration District:
2 Ecclesiastical Parish:
St Columbo

Civil Parish:
Shoreditch Municipal Borough:
Address:
2, Barton Court, Shoreditch County:
London

I am unable to find a George Hill in the job specified on marriage cert of John.

But he could so easily have made it up.

Better than a Cheesemongers assistant or General Dealer.


Could do with one of the Hill Family specialists here I think..

Hahaha, Hill family specialists.

Well, there is not a single George or John in my Hill/Moncks, believe it or not. George just wasn't a Devon/Cornwall name, and John wasn't favoured in either the Bond or Hill lines previous.

As for AuntySherlock's Hill, well who knows, eh? Perhaps John is the long-lost elder brother of her Ernest?? I mean, they were both born in London and both worked their way to Australia on board ship ...

George and Catherine seem to be uncommon names to pull out of a hat, if one were inventing parents. So I won't discount them off the top. (The opposite situation would be someone reporting a father with the same name and/or occupation as himself, often a giveaway for "fake!")

Lots of work to do today, but I'll give it a think ...

George and Sarah Ann do seem reasonable candidates so far.

thank you for your help. Informant on death certificate was his daughter who was a solicitors clerk and very methodical when it came to all things legal. This does not help if the truth had been stretched! The family left in the UK kept in touch with John after his marriage as a "parcel from the relatives" was received (oral history) which included a fur coat. The unsuitability of the gift was a family story for many years recalled by several relatives. John worked his way to Australia on board a sailing ship, name unknown, pictured on his grave. Clive

A MR Hill that works at the mint,but not yours...

1881
HILL, Robert A Head Married M 46 1835 Superintendent Royal Mint
Hackney
Middlesex
HILL, Mary T Wife Married F 34 1847
Hambrook
Gloucestershire
HILL, Edwin D Son Single M 13 1868 Scholar
Aldgate
Middlesex
HILL, Mary M Daughter Single F 10 1871 Scholar
Aldgate
Middlesex
GARDNER, Hannah Visitor Single F 50 1831 School Governess
Newcastle
Northumberland
MAIDMENT, Martha J Servant Single F 30 1851 Cook Dom
Donhead St George
Wiltshire
TALBOT, Lucy J Servant Single F 28 1853 Housemaid
Sutton Mallet
Somerset
RG number:
RG11 Piece:
448 Folio:
33 Page:
3

Registration District:
Whitechapel Sub District:
Aldgate Enumeration District:
Ecclesiastical Parish:

Civil Parish:
St Botolph Without Aldgate Aka East Smithfield Municipal Borough:
Address:
10, Royal Mint, St Botolph Without Aldgate Aka East Smithfield County:
Middlesex

to add to this trail we had hoped we could find a George, however !!! James Hill /1841 census/children Anne & Robert...!851 census James..weigher of Queens money/ Mint with Anne & Robert..had married Alice Hannah(widow)1831..1861c James still at Mint also Robert now a clerk. and later Suprintendant,see above,James died, notice in Times 1877.. James only had Anne & Robert, no George! Robert only had Edwin & Mary..so close & yet so far......Clive

if John Hill was born near the Royal Mint then the Whitechapel registration of birth could be him

Births Mar 1873 (>99%)
Hill John Henry Kensington 1a 216
Hill John Henry Whitechapel 1c 389
Hill John Norman Islington 1b 404