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Some further info for you,John Lewis baptised 26 Oct 1836 father William a farmer, mothers name begins with R but can't make out anymore from transcription.

Andy

Hi Jean

I think Elizabeth's mother's maiden name was ........

Jane Drury. On the 1841 census , she is living with her mother, Margaret , in Shrewsbury , Shropshire

She married William Smith December qtr 1847 / Shrewsbury / volume 18 page 239

Jane Smith, is a widow, and living with her mother in 1861

They had a daughter Mary in 1849, Mary is actually living with John and Jane , at The Barracks in 1871.............

I am sure that the marriage information that Astra has found is your couple, although Janes father was Thomas DRURY not Dowry

I would be happy to email you copies of the census, if you send me your email address in a PM

Jeannie

1901

Elizabeth Orton
Age: 37
Estimated birth year: abt 1864
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: James
Gender: Female
Where born: Chelsea Barracks, London, England
Civil parish: Eston
Ecclesiastical parish: South Bank St John
Town: North Eston
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Registration district: Middlesbrough
Sub-registration district: Ormesby
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 187
Household Members:
Name Age
James Orton 42
Elizabeth Orton 37
James Orton 7
John Orton 5
Mary Orton 3
Thomas Orton 1
Clara Orton 1


1891 Not too far from Middlesborough

Elizabeth Lewis
Age: 24
Estimated birth year: abt 1867
Relation: Visitor
Gender: Female
Where born: Chelsea, London, England
Civil parish: Coatham
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
Town: Coatham
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Registration district: Guisborough
Sub-registration district: Marske
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Sister M Gertrude 50
Louisa C Davinson 45
Elizabeth Lewis 24
Caroline Clark 12
Annie Almon 12
Edith Mogridge 14

Thanks again for that information. Here is what I have:

Elizabeth Lewis and James Orton married 3rd September 1893. Elizabeth living at 115 Gickis (or something that looks like that) street, Middlesbrough. Father John Lewis - deceased, rank and profession corporal in Scots Fusiliers. That's the information on Elizabeth's marriage certificate. Thanks again for your kind help.

Jean

This may help Jean

John Lewis>>>>>Army
Age: Full Age
Estimated birth year: abt 1866
Spouse Name: Jane Smith>>>>>Widow
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 2 Jan 1866
Parish: Holy Trinity, Chelsea
County: Middlesex
Borough: Kensington and Chelsea
Father Name: John Lewis>>>>>>Plasterer
Spouse Father Name: Thomas Dowry>>>>Servant

Where and who does Elizabeth marry and what does she give as her father's occupation please.

Jean......

I have just found this marriage.......

John Lewis / Jane Smith / March qtr 1866 / Chelsea / volume 1a page 369

I will now check to see if there is a Jane Smith, born Sleaford c 1830

I LOVE a mystery

Jeannie

Hi Jean,

Thanks for the information, I had a similar problem with my grandfather, he was married and had a son and then he married my grandmother and he also put bachelor on their wedding certificate, funnily enough it's his mother Elizabeth whom I am tracing, if the 1881 census that I found with John Lewis on living in Wales with the Evans family, but in 1893 when Elizabeth gets married to James Orton, that would mean there is a 10 year period were John Lewis has died, is it possible that he could of had 6 children with Jane and never married? But it does say on Elizabeth's marriage certificate that her father John is deceased in 1893, I wonder can anyone find his death? This might give me a big clue.

Thanks once again for your kind help.

Jean

Jean........

Joan and Jane , may never have married, and Elizabeth may have been born , with her mother's maiden name.....

My grandfather, was "married" before he met my grandmother, and had three children with his first "wife". They appear on the 1901 census together. However, Caroline is on her own in 1911. On her death in 1919, it states she was the wife of .......... ........... address unknown. In fact, I have learned since, they never married at all.........

On his marriage to my grandmother, he stated he was a batchelor. To all intents he was a wonderful man.

My grandmother's first husband, was supposed to be deceased in 1903...he was alive and well, and living with his parents in 1911 !!

Jeannie

Thanks for helping me, guys. That is information that I haven't got and I greatly appreciate it. The only thing I can't understand is I have Elizabeth's marriage in 1893 and I have a 1911 census and she says that she was born in Chelsea, this is where it's getting confusing. I have been unable to trace a marriage for John and Jane, but I did find in 1881 a census for John Lewis, but when I looked it said he's unmarried. Maybe it's another John Lewis? I'm not too sure. I've still not been able to find what Jane's maiden name is. Can anyone find a marriage for John and Jane? Or an actual birth for Elizabeth? I would appreciate anything you find. I'm still trying to make sense of all this. Once again thank you everyone for taking the time to do this for me.

Jean

On the 1881 census......

Jane Lewis / Lodger / age 52 / married / born Sleaford

25 Catherine Street, St Margaret and St John the Evangelist, Westminster



Jeannie

for ref

Name: John Lewis
Age: 35
Estimated birth year: abt 1836
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Jane
Gender: Male
Where born: Llandilo, Carmarthenshire, Wales
Civil parish: Chelsea
Ecclesiastical parish: St Jude
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Chelsea
Sub-registration district: Chelsea, South
ED, institution, or vessel: Chelsea Barracks for Second Battalion Scots Fusilier Guards
Household schedule number: 1
Household Members: Name Age
John Lewis 35
Jane Lewis 41

Does anyone have access to Ancestry as I have found an 1871 census on John Lewis and Jane Lewis. John Lewis was born in 1836 in Llandilo, Carmarthenshire, Wales. Residence at time of census was London, England in district of Chelsea South. Chelsea Barracks for the Scots Fusilier Guards. The same for Jane but she was born in 1830 and was born in Sleaford, Lincolnshire, England. Residence was the same as John at the time of census. They also had a daughter who was born approximately 1866 named Elizabeth. I have searched lots of sites, but I've been unable to find a marriage for John and Jane, can't even find Jane's maiden name and also can't find the birth of Elizabeth.

If anybody has access to Ancestry, I would appreciate it if you could take some time to look this up for me to find out if there's anything there that I don't know. At the moment I keep hitting dead ends.

Thanks everyone. Any information would be greatly appreciated,
Jean