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Herbert Cooper appears on census until 1881 when he was 11 and then disappears.I know he went on to marry and have children but he is not registered in household on census in 1891 or1901.Any info much appreciated.He was born 1870 in Longton Stoke on Trent staffs.
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sorry just edited original message lol
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Hi
1901 census
Address 11 Ladycott Terrace
Civil Parish Longton
Rural District
Town or Village or Hamlet Longton
Ecclesiastical Parish Dresden The Resurrection
Parliamentary Borough or Division Stoke On Trent North Western Division
County Borough, Municipal Borough or Urban District Longton
Administrative County Stafford
Householder 1
Name Annie Cooper
Relation to Head of Family Daughter
Condition as to Marriage Single
Age Last Birthday 2
Sex Female
Profession or Occupation
Employment Status
Where Born Staffordshire Florence
Language
Infirmity
Householder 2
Name Annie Cooper
Relation to Head of Family Wife
Condition as to Marriage Married
Age Last Birthday 34
Sex Female
Profession or Occupation Potters Gilder
Employment Status
Where Born Staffordshire Longton
Language
Infirmity
Householder 3
Name Henry Cooper
Relation to Head of Family Head
Condition as to Marriage Married
Age Last Birthday 30
Sex Male
Profession or Occupation Potters Printer
Employment Status
Where Born Staffordshire Longton
Language
Infirmity
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As far as i know Herbert would have been living near Pontypridd South Wales as that is where his wife and children were.
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1891 census
Name Henry Cooper
Age 21
Estimated Year of Birth 1870
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Occupation Potters Printer
Address 5, New Church Row
District Stoke Upon Trent, Longton
Parish Stoke Upon Trent
Administrative County Staffordshire
Birth Place Longton
Birth County Staffordshire
in house
anne head 41 widow
georgina 19
mary 15
jervis 9
hannah 7
maud 4
RG 12 / 218
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Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation Where Born Original
census
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COOPER, Herbert Head Married
16 years M 41 1870 Coal Miner Hewer Longton Staffordshire VIEW
COOPER, Rose Ann Wife Married F 42 1869 Wells Somersetshire VIEW
COOPER, Reginald Son Single M 15 1896 Collier Boy Below Ground Longton Staffordshire VIEW
COOPER, Herbert Henry Son Single M 13 1898 Collier Boy Below Ground Abercynon Glamorgan VIEW
COOPER, Ernest Son Single M 11 1900 School Trehafod Glamorgan VIEW
COOPER, Violet Daughter Single F 7 1904 School Trehafod Glamorgan VIEW
COOPER, Stanley Son Single M 6 1905 School Trehafod Glamorgan VIEW
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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
32257 Reference:
RG14PN32257 RG78PN1851 RD589 SD2 ED11 SN157
Registration District:
Pontypridd Sub District:
Llanwonno Enumeration District:
11 Parish:
Rhondda
Address:
13 Lewis Street Trehafod Pontypridd County:
Glamorganshire
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1901 Wales Census
about Rose Cooper
Name: Rose Cooper
Age in 1901: 32
Estimated birth year: abt 1869
Relation: Wife
Gender: Female
Where born: Wills, Somerset, England
Civil parish: Ystraddyfodwg
Ecclesiastical parish: Llanwonno
Town: Haford
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales
Street Address: View image
Condition as to marriage: View image
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Occupation: View image
Registration district: Pontypridd
Sub-registration district: Llanwonno
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 42
Household Members: Name Age
Rose Cooper 32
Reginald Cooper 5
Herbert H Cooper 3
Ernest Cooper 1
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Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
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Marriages Jun 1895 (>99%)
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BRINSON Rose Pontypridd 11a 703
Cooper Herbert Pontypridd 11a 703
Jenkins Noah Pontypridd 11a 703
Thomas Lydia Morfydd Pontypridd 11a 703
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Thanks, don't have access to 1911 census but where was he in 1901 and1891?
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Ok lets start with the basics and go from there....
This is your man not born 1870 but born 2 Qtr 1869?
Births Jun 1869
Cooper Herbert Stoke T. 6b 241
If you know he married care to share his wife's name?
Alot of data has been found for you, but sadly no-one has added info to it, which makes it hard work reading!!
So then we have Herbert Cooper in 1871...
1871 RG number: RG10 Piece: 2875 Folio: 49 Page: 2
Address: John Street, Lower, Stoke Upon Trent, Longton County: Staffordshire
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COOPER, George Head M 28 1843 Staffordshire
COOPER, Elizebeth Wife F 26 1845 Staffordshire
COOPER, George Son M 6 1865 Staffordshire
COOPER, Herbert Son M 2 1869 Staffordshire
You do not mention his parents names but from the location you have given the best guess is the one above.
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So then we goto 1881.
1881 RG number: RG11 Piece: 2734 Folio: 8 Page: 9
Address: 39, John St, Stoke Upon Trent County: Staffordshire
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COOPER, George Head Married M 40 1841 Coal Miner Longton Staffordshire
COOPER, Eliza Wife Married F 39 1842 Potters Transferer Longton Staffordshire
COOPER, George Son Single M 16 1865 Potters Clay Wedger Longton Staffordshire
COOPER, Herbert Son Single M 11 1870 Potters Jigger Turner Longton Staffordshire
COOPER, James Son Single M 9 1872 Scholar Longton Staffordshire
COOPER, Eliza Daughter Single F 1 1880 Longton Staffordshire
....again best guess as you have not mentioned the parents names.... Do you have the birth cert? ( i guess not as you did not quote the right year)
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So going on the data we already have this is the rest of his family in 1891, with him missing.
1891 RG number: RG12 Piece: 2181 Folio: 39 Page: 14
Address: 41, John Street, Stoke Upon Trent, Longton County: Staffordshire
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COOPER, George Head Married M 50 1841 General Labourer Caverswall Staffordshire
COOPER, Eliza Wife Married F 48 1843 Potters Transferer Longton Staffordshire
COOPER, James Son Single M 17 1874 Potters Cley Wedger Longton Staffordshire
COOPER, Eliza Daughter Single F 11 1880 Scholar Longton Staffordshire
COOPER, Emma Daughter Single F 9 1882 Scholar Longton Staffordshire
COOPER, Samuel Son Single M 7 1884 Scholar Longton Staffordshire
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....and then there is this marriage.
Marriages Dec 1887
Cooper Herbert Burton 6b 555
INSLEY Mary Ann Burton 6b 555
MOORE Eunice Burton 6b 555
PUNTER Joseph Burton 6b 555
Without any spouse names we are in the dark here Sarah.
Do you know the name of the person he married??
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OK, going on the data already known we find this...
1911 RG14PN32257 RG78PN1851 RD589 SD2 ED11 SN157
Address: 13 Lewis Street Trehafod Pontypridd County: Glamorganshire
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COOPER, Herbert Head Married16 years M 41 1870 Coal Miner Hewer Longton Staffordshire
COOPER, Rose Ann Wife Married F 42 1869 Wells Somersetshire
COOPER, Reginald Son Single M 15 1896 Collier Boy Below Ground Longton Staffordshire
COOPER, Herbert Henry Son Single M 13 1898 Collier Boy Below Ground Abercynon Glamorgan
COOPER, Ernest Son Single M 11 1900 School Trehafod Glamorgan
COOPER, Violet Daughter Single F 7 1904 School Trehafod Glamorgan
COOPER, Stanley Son Single M 6 1905 School Trehafod Glamorgan
That would lead to the correct marriage (??) which has already been found of...
Marriages Jun 1895
BRINSON Rose Pontypridd 11a 703
Cooper Herbert Pontypridd 11a 703
Sarah, you mention his wife was from Glamorganshire, this appears not to be the case, his children may have been born there but his wife was clearly from Somerset!
Very strange how the first child is born back in Staffordshire? ...and yet you state you thought they were from Glamorganshire?
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The 1901 census without Herbert....
1901 RG number: RG13 Piece: 5002 Folio: 61 Page: 7
Address: 13, Lewis Street, Ystradyfodwg, Hafod County: Glamorganshire
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COOPER, Rose Wife Married F 32 1869 Dressmaker Wills Somersetshire
COOPER, Reginald Son Single M 5 1896 Longton Staffordshire
COOPER, Herbert H Son M 3 1898 Abernynon Glamorganshire
COOPER, Ernest Son M 1 1900 Hafod Glamorganshire
There is a slim possibility that Herbert was underground at the time of the census and was missed off?
Tracey x
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Possibly he was down the coal mine?
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Yes Patricia, that is my thought, i have added to my post the 1901 census, the 1911 states he's a Coal Miner Hewer, (these are the people with the pick actually taking the coal off the coalface)
It's very possible the emunerator, when asking about the family, got Herbert's name first then realised he was not there and crossed him out.
Maybe Rose was informed he couldn't be on their's but would probably be included on the institutional one the coal mine 'may' have done?
Tracey x
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Yes he was a coal miner so this is probably the case,thanks.How do i find this census info if it exists?
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Thats our point..... it probably doesn't!
His wife was probably told that one would be done for him at his works, but the reality is they were probably too busy to care and maybe just dismissed the whole thing!
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