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I am trying to find info on Ellen Roberts born in June 1891.I have obtained her marriage certificate as she married at Wolverhampton Registry office in 1915.Her father is given as John Roberts but there are several John Roberts mentioned in the 1902 census.I have found a few references in the 1911 census but nothing to link her with a father John Roberts.She must be on the 1902 census but again I cant locate her with any certainty.I have checked under Ellen and Nellie.She would have been around 11 in 1902. Can anyone help.
Many thanks,
Ian Crichton

What was her father's occupation?

The cert. should also give her address at the time of marriage, this could help find her in the census records!

She was 24 and her father was a labourer.She was living at Shale Street Bilston but I cant link this with anything in 1902 or 1911.

Ian, can you tell us where she was born and her fathers occupation on the marriage certificate? Also anything else from the marriage certificate that may help to locate her?

MB

Do you have a house number?

Any idea if she had any siblings?

there is this one?


1901 England Census
about Ellen Roberts
Name: Ellen Roberts
[Ellen Hughes]
Age: 10
Estimated birth year: abt 1891
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: John R
Mother's Name: Ellen
Gender: Female
Where born: Hanley, Staffordshire, England

Civil parish: Hanley
Ecclesiastical parish: Northwood Holy Trinity
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street Address: 21 Bright St

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Stoke upon Trent
Sub-registration district: Hanley
ED, institution, or vessel: 22
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 121
Household Members:
Name Age
John R Roberts 43 Coal miners ***er below surface
Ellen Roberts 30
Arthur Roberts 14
Sarah E Roberts 12
Ellen Roberts 10
John R Roberts 8
Alice Roberts 6
Percy Roberts 3
Beatrice Roberts 1

these are the three poss births, it might come down to buying for mother's name?

June1891

Roberts Ellen Dudley 6c 92

Births Sep 1891 (>99%)


Roberts Ellen Stoke T 6b 176
Roberts Ellen W.Bromwich 6b 834

Would this be her birth? Its the only one 1886-1891 in this District.

Births Sep 1889
Roberts Ellen Wolverhampton 6b 627

WOLVERHAMPTON REGISTRATION DISTRICT
sub-districts : BILSTON; Kinver (Kinfare); Tettenhall; Willenhall; Wolverhampton East; Wolverhampton Eastern; Wolverhampton New Cross; Wolverhampton North; Wolverhampton South; Wolverhampton West; Wolverhampton Western, Wombourne.

Neither Ellen or her husband living in Shale Street Bilston in 1911.

I think she was born after the 1891 census was taken. I think Stoke is unlikely because I think the family were more Black Country probably Bilston,Coseley Sedgeley area.
Thanks,
Ian

She lived at 51 Shale street Bilston in 1915.Thomas Roberts and Jane Roberts are witnesses to the marriage.Perhaps they could be siblings.

Thanks,
Ian

Two families living 51 Shale St in 1911:-

1911 census transcription details for: 51 Shale Street Bilston
National Archive Reference: RG14PN17125 RG78PN1054 RD369 SD7 ED14 SN357

Reg. District: Wolverhampton Sub District: Bilston
Parish: Bilston Enum. District: 14
Address: 51 Shale Street Bilston County: Staffordshire
Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation, Where Born
BODIN, Thomas Head Married M 35 1876 General Labourer Staffs Tipton
BODIN, Jenny Wife Married
10 years F 31 1880 Worcester Dudley
BODIN, Leslie Dennis Son Single M 4 1907 Staff Bilston


1911 census transcription details for: 51 Shale Street Bilston
National Archive Reference: RG14PN17125 RG78PN1054 RD369 SD7 ED14 SN362

Reg. District: Wolverhampton Sub District: Bilston
Parish: Bilston Enum. District: 14
Address: 51 Shale Street Bilston County: Staffordshire
Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation, Where Born
SPIER, Isaac Head Married M 34 1877 Blast Furnace Labourer Bilston Staffordshire
SPIER, Rhoda Wife Married
11 years F 31 1880 Bilston Staffordshire
SPIER, George Son M 10 1901 School Bilston Staffordshire
BUTLER, Harold Nephew M 10 1901 School Bilston Staffordshire
BUTLER, Sarah Daughter F 8 1903 School Bilston Staffordshire
BUTLER, Ethel Daughter F 1 1910 Bilston Staffordshire


BODIN, Herbert Sinclair Son Single M 0 1911 Staff Bilston

Thanks.She had obviously just moved into Shale street then in 1915.Everything seems to be conspiring against me.Although she was Ellen I suspect she is listed as Nellie in the 1902 census as she was only a young girl but there are so many of them. I have tried all the likely ones.I can only think it must be somewhere other than Bilston or Wolverhampton Staffordshire in 1902 although that is the obvious choice.I havent tried Handsworth or Worcester.Does anyone have access to those areas.
Thanks,
Ian