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Could someone please help me to decipher the original image for John Williams in 1871. The 1881 information is 100% correct but in 1871 there are differences as follows-:

1881 census

John Walker b 1826 in Alconbury,Hants
Mary - wife- b 1841 in Staffordshire
Mary anne- b 1854 in Southwark
Charlotte - b 1861 in Brixton
Leonard - b 1873 in Clapham
Herbert C - b 1875 in Clapham

John was an engineer and they lived in camberwell.

In 1871 although the names are the same and with more children it shows Johns birthplace as Tlunling,Denbighshire,Wales. The image is not clear so I wonder if anyone could have a look for me and let me know what they think.

Mary's place of birth is correct but Mary Anne is down as born in Arrington - I haven't a clue where that is.Charlotte is correct. Mary Edith is recorded as just Edith and the date of birth correct so it seems that this is the right family - just puzzled.

I know Gerald in 1871 was a son - I have reference to him in some of my parents old papers etc.

Also, this could be a second marriage as johns wife Mary would have been too young to have had John A and Mary Anne as in the 1871 census shows

Someone with good eyesight would be very welcome !

Thank you

Rosie

Mary Anne & John ( Son ) are down as Surrey Newington

Fmp's effort.


1871 census transcription details for: Clapham Road, Clapham
National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG10 Piece: 699 Folio: 78 Page: 27

Reg. District: Wandsworth Sub District: Clapham
Parish: Clapham Enum. District: 27
Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Clapham Road, Clapham County: London, Surrey
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation, Where Born
WALKER, John Head M 45 1826 Huntingdonshire
WALKER, Mary Wife F 30 1841 Staffordshire
WALKER, John H Son M 19 1852 Surrey
WALKER, Mary Anne Daughter F 17 1854 Surrey
WALKER, Charlotte E Daughter F 12 1859 Surrey
WALKER, Marian L Daughter F 8 1863 Surrey
WALKER, Gerald Son M 3 1868 Essex
WALKER, Edith A Daughter F 2 1869 Surrey
BAILEY, Emma Servant F 21 1850 Wiltshire
HAMMOND, Elizabeth Servant F 17 1854 Middlesex


John seems to be Huntingdonshire, Mary Anne is Newington.

I can see its Newington now.Can anyone see what the occupations of John,Mary - wife ,and John A are?

This is the 1851 and he is down as married


John Walker
Age: 25
Estimated birth year: abt 1826
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Huntingdonshire, England
Civil parish: Newington
Ecclesiastical parish: Trinity
Town: Surrey
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

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Registration district: Newington
Sub-registration district: Trinity
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 83
Household Members:
Name Age
John Walker 25
____________________

Ok this is a big maybe

When you look at the image John is on the bottom if you click on the next page there is a Charlotte, but if you click on show others on page she isn't showing

This might be their marriage


Marriages Sep 1850 (>99%)
Andrew Charles James St Geo Southk 4 514
Boon Rebecca Hunk St George S 4 514
Boon Rebecca Munk St George Southwark 4 514
Bryan Joseph Hale St Geo Southk 4 514
>>>>>>Cater Charlotte St.George S. 4 514
CATER Charlotte * S. 4 514
JORDAN Elizabeth Jane St Geo Southk 4 514
Rait Agnes St George S. 4 514
>>>>>Walker John St Geo. South K 4 514
Watts George St Geo Southk 4 514

John is an engineer, Mary is wife, John A in ?? business??

I'm sure it's the right family - any guesses to the occupationof John A - son ?

This is why she isn't coming up with John......im pretty sure the image is Walker


Charlotte Wilson
Age: 23
Estimated birth year: abt 1828
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Southwark, Surrey, England
Civil parish: Newington
Ecclesiastical parish: Trinity
Town: Surrey
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

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Registration district: Newington
Sub-registration district: Trinity
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 83
Household Members:
Name Age
Charlotte Wilson 23
Ellen Davies 13...Servant

ok, so Charlotte Cater was his first wife then named daughter Charlotte Elizabeth Cater after her.- possible.In the 1901 census Charlotte is recorded as Charlotte Elizabeth Catori Walker - will have another look

I think this is also him?


1861 census transcription details for: 1, Eden Cottages, Little St Anns Road Brixton, Lambeth
National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG09 Piece: 361 Folio: 76 Page: 16

Reg. District: Lambeth Sub District: 6 Kennington Second
Parish: Lambeth Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District: St Marks Kennington City/Municipal Borough: Lambeth
Address: 1, Eden Cottages, Little St Anns Road Brixton, Lambeth
County: London, Surrey
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation ,
Disability Where Born
WALKER, John Head Married M 35 1826 Engineer Boiler
Huntingdon South Owersby
MITCHELL, Sarah Servant Unmarried F 19 1842 House Sudsr Maker
Beeding
Sussex


and Charlotte. Walker seems to have been added later to her father's name.


1861 England Census
about Charlotte Walker
Name: Charlotte Walker
Age: 32
Estimated birth year: abt 1829
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Henry Cater
Gender: Female
Where born: London, Surrey, England

Civil parish: Newchurch
Ecclesiastical parish: St Catherine
Town: Ventnor
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

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Registration district: Isle Of Wight
Sub-registration district: Godshill
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 52
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry Cater Walker Head Married M 63 1798 Steam Boiler
Walsall
Staffordshire
Charlotte Walker Daughter Married F 32 1829
London
Surrey
Henry Walker Grandson M 9 1852
London
Surrey
Mary Ann Walker Granddaughter F 7 1854
London
Surrey
Elizabeth C C Walker Granddaughter F 2 1859
Brixton
Surrey
Marianna Macpherson 25 next household
Jane Macpherson 19




1851 census transcription details for: 29, Southwark Bridge Road, Saint George The Martyr, Southwark
National Archive Reference:
RG number: HO107 Piece: 1565 Folio: 15 Page: 22

Reg. District: Saint George Southwark Sub District: London Road
Parish: Saint George the Martyr Enum. District: 1
Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough: Southwark
Address: 29, Southwark Bridge Road, Saint George The Martyr, Southwark
County: Surrey
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation ,
Disability Where Born
CATER, Henry Head Married M 53 1798 Boiler Maker
Walsall
Staffordshire
CATER, Charlotte Wife Married F 50 1801
Reading
Berkshire
RODGERS, Elizabeth Maid Unmarried F 24 1827 House Servant
Glasgow
Scotland

I never said she was his 1st wife, i said might be...to know for sure you'll need one of the childens B/C

This looks like Charlottes C birth

Births Dec 1858 (>99%)
Walker Charlotte Elizabeth Carter Lambeth 1d 376

i'm also guesing but i've just looked at the1901 census and i'm sure daughter Charlottes name has been misranscribed as Charlotte Elizabeth Catori instead of Carter or Cater.That makes sense and if Charlotte was Johns 1st wife then Mary would be his second with the 15 year age gap - everything else fits - I think !