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I'm trying to find information about Thomas, who was born Oct-Dec 1874 in Norton, Worcestershire. His parents were (Mary) Elizabeth, nee Gauntlett - 1st Huband Thomas King - and Charles Roberts. His birth is recorded on Familysearch as abt 1874. There is a Thomas King in 1891, born abt 1874 in 'Bredon by Norton' but in 1881, when he was a child, he was not with his parents. They were in Camberwell, London, with Charles adult son by his first wife and Elizabeth's niece, 'Phillis' (sic).
I can't find a death record either. His father seems to have been fairl;y lax about records as the marriage is not fully recorded either.
I believe that his parents emigrated to USA and both died in salt Lake City.
Can anyone help, please?
Heather

Is this the record you found or have you found his birth certificate entry?

Thomas King Roberts
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Event(s):
Birth: About 1876 Norton,By, Kempsey, Worcester, England

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Parents:
Father: Charles Roberts
Mother: Elizabeth Gauntlet
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Mother's name suggests they weren't married
What record have you got for either of Elizabeth's marriages ?

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1891 England Census about Thomas Roberts
Name: Thomas Roberts
Age: 17
Estimated birth year: abt 1874
Relation: Brother-in-law
Gender: Male
Where born: Bredons Norton, Worcestershire, England
Civil parish: Eckington
Ecclesiastical parish: Eckington
Town: Eckington
County/Island: Worcestershire
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Pershore
Sub-registration district: Eckington
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
James Glover 29
Jane Glover 27
Thomas Roberts 17



1901 England Census about Thomas Roberts
Name: Thomas Roberts
Age: 27
Estimated birth year: abt 1874
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Elizabeth
Gender: Male
Where born: Bredons Norton, Worcestershire, England
Civil parish: Eckington
Ecclesiastical parish: Eckington Holy Trinity
County/Island: Worcestershire
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Pershore
Sub-registration district: Eckington
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 57
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Roberts 27
Elizabeth Roberts 36 glocs
Ernest J Roberts 2
Alice E Roberts 1


ROBERTS, Thomas Head Married M 36 1875 Farmer Labourer Bredons Norton Wor Shire VIEW
ROBERTS, Elizabeth Wife Married
13 years F 45 1866 Tewkesbury Gloshire VIEW
ROBERTS, Earnest James Son M 12 1899 Eckington Wor Shire VIEW
ROBERTS, Alice Elizabeth Daughter F 11 1900 School Eckington Wor Shire VIEW
ROBERTS, Thomas Frederick Son M 9 1902 Eckington Wor Shire VIEW
ROBERTS, Edith Mary Daughter F 2 1909 Eckington Wor Shire VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
17716 Reference:
RG14PN17716 RG78PN1084 RD380 SD1 ED6 SN147

Registration District:
Pershore Sub District:
Eckington Enumeration District:
6 Parish:
Eckington

Address:
Upper End Eckington Pershore County:
Worcestershire

The information you found is what I was referring to, though I mis-remembered that 1876. On reflection, I think that the birth record is almost certainly not his as Kings Norton would have been in Warwickshire - I used to live there!
I wasn't sure about the 'brother-in-law' in the 1891 census because there's no evidence that he had a sister. His mother must have been in her 50s when he was born.
The problem is, of course, that his names are pretty common. I do wonder - if he didn't die - where he was in 1881.
Many thanks
Heather

Is this his parents"marriage? But he was born 31 years later!

Marriages Sep 1845 (>99%)
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GAUNTLETT Elizabeth Winchester 7 389
King Thomas Winchester 7 389

Search Results :
Kings Norton
Leicestershire
maps.google.co.uk

I think you're basing your information on submitted records on Familysearch. Submitted records are not to be relied on.

Where does Thomas end up?

Maureen
Edit: Sorry-possibly wasn't reading your post correctly. Is he the one you can't find a death cert for?

Elizabeth with first husband?
1861 census
30 Sutton St., Lambeth
Thomas King, head, 36, plumber
Elizabeth, wife, 34
Henry, son, 15
All born Wichester, Hampshire.

1851 census
Water Lane, Winchester, Hampshire
Thomas King, head, 27, glazier & painter
Elizabeth, wife, 23
Harry, son, 6
All born Winchester.

In 1871 she's Elizabeth Roberts.
1871 census
25 Albert Terrace, St. George, Southwark, Surrey
Charles Roberts, head, 45, builder's foreman, born Worcs, Norton
Elizabeth, wife, 42, born Hants, Winchester
Henry, son, 18, clerk to builder, born Worcs, Worcester
Charles, son, 14, born Norton
Jane Tummey, niece, 22, dressmaker, born Worcs, Malvern

Thank you everyone.
The only evidence I have for a marriage of Elizabeth to Charles Roberts is the one on familysearch, where she is listed as Elizabeth Gauntlett King or some such, which is what put me onto her first marriage.
Ditto, the only birth record for Thomas King Roberts is on familysearch. Familysearch birth records do sometimes give mother's maiden name so that name is not necessarily an indication of her marital status, especially as she was previously Elizabeth King. I have now discovered that Kings Norton was in Worcestershire at that time but I'm still a bit uncertain about whether it's the Norton indicated here. Kings Norton is now in Birmingham and, as I said, I lived there for some years and the 'Kempsey' indication rings no bells at all; neither does Bredon.
In 1871 she is listed as wife to Charles Roberts but by any definition she wasn't at that point. Her marriage to Thomas King is recorded both in the index and on Familysearch, only on FS she is - correctly - listed as Mary Elizabeth, while the index has her as Elizabeth.
Thomas King Roberts is rather bizzarrely, if the FC record is to be believed, named after her first husband.
Incidentally. I've also tried without any obvious success, to trace her son by Thomas (James Henry King) forward.
Charles Roberts was also previously married (Emma Holloway) and had children: the son lived but the daughter died.
I think that I'm not going to make any further progress now - it's very frustrating! If I can't rely on the FS record, does this mean that Thomas King Roberts may never have existed, do you think?
Once again, many thanks
Heather

I've just checked historical maps and Bredons Norton, Worcs., and Norton by Kempsey were completely different villages miles apart - hence, I assume, the additional names to distinguish one Norton from the other. Therefor, it seems obvious that the Thomas Roberts in those censuses is not Thomas King Roberts.
So the only evidence there is that Charles & Elizabeth even had a son is the familysearch entry.