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the marriage broke up

but they did not get divorced ..... this was extremely expensive and very difficult to get in those days

so the scenario I am about to propose happened quite often.


They moved to different parts of the same town, or one moved to another town


One or both got married again, saying they were widowed



This of course means that the second marriage was bigamous ......... but who would know?



sylvia

hi
alice selby on her marriage to joseph stenson states she his a widow, solomon and alices last son was born 1875, so there in theory should be a death between 1875/80 unless they just split up or he changed his name in which case we may never find him
sharon

Strange only one death shows on freebmd in 1909 and also only one birth. 1849...could be him??

jax

hi thank you very much
might have to give up on this one for now
all the best lorraine

Hmm; usually when there's a time on the birth certificate it means they're a twin, but couldn't see one on Free BMD.

I've found this death (the only Soloman Selby death I could find on Free BMD) but the age isn't right (depends who the informant was, I suppose):

SELBY Soloman 67 Cardiff 11a 198

hi
soloman was born 1849 in st marys nottingham at 1am [on his birth cert ]
alice was 17 when she married him [got marriage cert ]
just wondered what happened to soloman [did he died cant find a death ]
alice was born abt 1854 [on census with parents john and elizabeth hearson ]
all the best lorraine

and she was aged 17 in 1871

1871 Census

Name: Solomon Selby
Age: 22
Estimated birth year: abt 1849
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Alice
Gender: Male
Where born: Nottinghamshire, England
Civil parish: St Mary
Town: Nottingham
County/Island: Nottinghamshire
Country: England
Registration district: Nottingham
Sub-registration district: Byron

Solomon Selby 22
Alice Selby 17 b.ca 1854, Nottinghamshire



Solomon was born in St Mary, Nottinghamshrire according to the 1861 Census



sylvia

there's something wrong here


in my family i have a soloman selby born 1849 nottingham
in 1870 he married alice hearson in nottingham
in 1881 alice marrys again to a joseph stenson



But in the 1881 posted by Choccy .... Alice is only 20, which means she married Soloman at age 10 ...... which is impossible!



In 1891, she's 37, which would make her 17 in 1870 ..... possible!



sylvia

hi
them census are both right but cant find a death for soloman
lorraine

for reference -


1881 England Census
Name: Alice Selby
Age: 20
Estimated birth year: abt 1861
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Nottinghamshire, England

Civil parish: Nottingham St Mary
County/Island: Nottinghamshire
Country: England

Street Address: 4 Coalpit Court
Condition as to marriage: Windower (Widower)
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Lace Hand

Registration district: Nottingham
Sub-registration district: Byron
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Alice Selby 20 (think it reads 26) ***********
Arthur Selby 3
Elizabeth Stokes 20




Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 3360; Folio: 49; Page: 27; GSU roll: 1341803.



1891

STENSON, Joseph Head Married M 40 1851 Edge Tool Forger
Loughton
Leicestershire VIEW
STENSON, Alice Wife Married F 37 1854
Nottingham
Nottinghamshire VIEW
SELBY, George Stepson M 16 1875
Nottingham
Nottinghamshire VIEW
SELBY, Arthur Stepson M 13 1878 Errand Boy
Nottingham
Nottinghamshire VIEW
STENSON, Joseph Son M 9 1882 Scholar
Nottingham
Nottinghamshire VIEW
STENSON, Alice Daughter F 7 1884 Scholar
Nottingham
Nottinghamshire VIEW
STENSON, John Son M 3 1888
Nottingham
Nottinghamshire VIEW
STENSON, Elizth Daughter F 0 (8M) 1891
Sheffield
Yorkshire VIEW
BURTON, Henry Lodger Single M 22 1869 Labourer In Ironworks
Nottingham
Nottinghamshire VIEW

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

RG number:
RG12 Piece:
3833 Folio:
95 Page:
11

Registration District:
Sheffield Sub District:
Brightside Enumeration District:
42 Ecclesiastical Parish:
All Saints

Civil Parish:
Brightside Bierlow Municipal Borough:
Sheffield Address:
193, Carlisle Street East, Brightside Bierlow, Sheffield County:
Yorkshire (West Riding)

hi minnie
in 1881 alice is in nottingham with son arthur
lorraine

what happens in 1881 census? who is she with, do they have children?

Unfortunately the passenger lists on Find My Past don't start until 1890.

hi all
in my family i have a soloman selby born 1849 nottingham
in 1870 he married alice hearson in nottingham
in 1881 alice marrys again to a joseph stenson
i cannot find a death for soloman or on any census after 1871
could anyone look to see if he left the country by boat or ship
or infact find anything about him after 1871
thank you
all the best lorraine