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2 Aug 2010 16:51 |
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Cannot find Sarah Roberts on any census apart from 1901. In 1901 she was aged 70 a widow, had been born on Tottenham, London. She had a daughter who was married ( married name Callow) her maiden name would have been Harriet R Roberts aged 36 in 1901, Harriet was born in Bermondsey London. I have search everywhere for this one, can anyone brighter than me find any further details for me? would be very grateful.
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Catherine
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2 Aug 2010 17:05 |
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Possible:- 1871 Name: Sarah Roberts Age: 36 Estimated birth year: abt 1835 Relation: Wife Spouse's name: Edwin Gender: Female Where born: Fottenham, Middlesex, England Civil parish: Bermondsey Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch County/Island: Surrey Country: England Registration district: St Olave Southwark Sub-registration district: St James Bermondsey ED, institution, or vessel: 3 Household schedule number: 197 Household Members: Name Age Edwin Roberts 40 - 1831 born: Llanfothernall N Wales Sarah Roberts 36 Harriet Roberts 7 - 1864 born: Bermondsey, Surrey Margaret Roberts 7 Elizabeth Roberts 5 Robert Roberts 3 James Roberts 1
same family in 1881:-
Name: Sarah Roberts Age: 48 Estimated birth year: abt 1833 Relation: Wife Spouse's name: Evan Gender: Female Where born: Tottenham, Middlesex, England Civil parish: Bermondsey County/Island: London Country: England Street Address: 81 Bermondsey New Rd Condition as to marriage: Married
Registration district: St Olave Southwark Sub-registration district: Leather Market ED, institution, or vessel: 13 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Evan Roberts 45 (Oil Cooper) Sarah Roberts 48 Harriet Roberts 18 - 1863 born: Bermondsey, Surrey Elizabeth Roberts 16 Robert Roberts 14 James Roberts 12
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brummiejan
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2 Aug 2010 17:06 |
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You need Harriet's father's name from her marriage cert, or someone to find marriage on Ancestry parish records. Or just maybe her birth as:
Marriages Dec 1887 (>99%) Callow William Stepney 1c 837 ROBERTS Harriet Rebecca Stepney 1c 837
Births Jun 1863 (>99%) ROBERTS Harriet Rebecca Bermondsey 1d 96
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Catherine
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2 Aug 2010 17:11 |
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Looks to be correct family:-
Harriet's marriage:- Name: Harriett Rebecca Roberts Age: 24 Estimated birth year: abt 1863 Address: 48 Charles Street Spouse Name: William Callow Spouse Age: 26 Address: 84 Charles Street Record Type: Marriage Event Date: 2 Oct 1887 Parish: St Dunstan and All Saints, Stepney County: Middlesex Borough: Tower Hamlets xxxx Father Name: Evan Roberts xxxx Occupation: Cooper Spouse Father Name: Robert Callow Occupation: Labourer
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TootyFruity
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2 Aug 2010 17:11 |
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Possibly 1911 not with mother
Name Relation Condition/ Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born Original census image CALLOW, William Head Married M 49 1862 Lighterman Bermondsey London VIEW CALLOW, Harriet Rebecca Wife Married 27 years F 47 1864 Shop Keeper Bermondsey London VIEW CALLOW, Harriet Sarah Daughter Single F 22 1889 Machinist-Mantles Stepney London VIEW CALLOW, William Edward Son Single M 18 1893 Compositor Apprentice Bermondsey London VIEW CALLOW, Janey Amy Daughter Single F 14 1897 Wandsworth London VIEW CALLOW, Edward George Son Single M 11 1900 Rotherhithe London VIEW CALLOW, Edith Lydia Daughter Single F 9 1902 Rotherhithe London VIEW CALLOW, Alice Beatrice Daughter Single F 7 1904 Rotherhithe London VIEW CALLOW, Elsie Lillian Daughter Single F 4 1907 Rotherhithe London VIEW RG number: RG14 Piece: 1750 Reference: RG14PN1750 RG78PN61 RD23 SD1 ED1 SN222 Registration District: Southwark Sub District: Christchurch and St Saviour Southwark Enumeration District: 1 Parish: St Saviour Southwark Address: 34 Newcomer Street Boro S E
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brummiejan
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2 Aug 2010 17:19 |
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1891 England Census (have sent correction for birthplace!)
Name: Sarah Robert Age: 60 Estimated birth year: abt 1831 Relation: Wife Spouse's name: Evan Gender: Female Where born: Swettenham, London, England Civil parish: Bermondsey Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary Magdalene County/Island: London Country: England Registration district: St Olave Southwark Sub-registration district: Leather Market
Evan Robert 55 (Cooper) Sarah Robert 60 Robert Robert 24 Elizabeth Robert 26
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Catherine
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2 Aug 2010 17:20 |
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Evan's death:-
Deaths Dec 1897 (>99%) Roberts Evan 61 St. Olave 1d 155 (makes date of birth 1836)
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Catherine
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2 Aug 2010 17:26 |
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Name: Harriett Rebekah Roberts Record Type: Baptism Date: 5 Jul 1863 Father's Name: Evan Roberts Mother's Name: Sarah Roberts Parish: Christ Church, Bermondsey Borough: Southwark County: Middlesex
Name: Margaret Sarah Roberts Record Type: Baptism Date: 5 Jul 1863 Father's Name: Evan Roberts Mother's Name: Sarah Roberts Parish: Christ Church, Bermondsey Borough: Southwark County: Middlesex
Name: Elizabeth Mary Roberts Record Type: Baptism Date: 5 May 1867 Birth: 27 May 1865 Father's Name: Evan Roberts Mother's Name: Sarah Roberts Parish: Christ Church, Bermondsey Borough: Southwark County: Middlesex
Name: Robert Evan Roberts Record Type: Baptism Date: 5 May 1867 Birth: 4 May 1867 Father's Name: Evan Roberts Mother's Name: Sarah Roberts Parish: Christ Church, Bermondsey Borough: Southwark County: Middlesex
Name: James William Roberts Record Type: Baptism Date: 17 Dec 1876 Father's Name: Evan Roberts Mother's Name: Sarah Roberts Parish: Christ Church, Bermondsey Borough: Southwark County: Middlesex
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TootyFruity
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2 Aug 2010 17:41 |
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Possibility for Sarah 1911
Name Relation Condition/ Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born Original census image ROBERTS, Sarah Patient Widow F 77 1834 General Servant London VIEW RG number: RG14 Piece: 395 Reference: RG14PN395 RD4 SD1 ED22 SN1 Registration District: Chelsea Sub District: Chelsea North Enumeration District: 22 Parish: Chelsea Address: Cale Street Chelsea
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Catherine
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2 Aug 2010 17:42 |
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Name: Margaret Sarah Roberts Age: 24 Estimated birth year: abt 1863 Spouse Name: Johon George Welz Spouse Age: 28 Record Type: Marriage Event Date: 4 Sep 1887 Parish: St Mary, Whitechapel County: Middlesex Borough: Tower Hamlets Father Name: Evan Roberts Spouse Father Name: Peter Welz
Name: Robert Evan Roberts Age: 26 Estimated birth year: abt 1867 Spouse Name: Mary Kate Francis Spouse Age: 20 Record Type: Marriage Event Date: 25 Dec 1893 Parish: St Mary Magdalen, Bermondsey County: Middlesex Borough: Southwark Father Name: Evan Roberts Spouse Father Name: John Francis
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TootyFruity
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2 Aug 2010 18:00 |
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Margaret 1911
Name Relation Condition/ Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born Original census image WELZ, John George Head Married M 52 1859 Journeyman Baker Germany VIEW WELZ, Margaret Sarah Wife Married 23 years F 46 1865 Home Bermondsey London VIEW WELZ, Kathrine Sarah Daughter Single F 22 1889 Flower Maker London Stepney E VIEW WELZ, Evan Albert Som Single M 21 1890 Book Binder London Hackney E VIEW WELZ, Jane Peter Son Single M 17 1894 Winder Cleaner London Bermondsey S E VIEW WELZ, Elizabeth May Daughter F 12 1899 School London Bermondsey S E VIEW WELZ, Margaret Harriet Daughter F 10 1901 School London Bermondsey S E VIEW WELZ, Laura Annie Daughter F 8 1903 School London Bermondsey S E VIEW WELZ, John George Som M 4 1907 School London Bermondsey S E VIEW RG number: RG14 Piece: 1750 Reference: RG14PN1750 RG78PN61 RD23 SD1 ED1 SN219 Registration District: Southwark Sub District: Christchurch and St Saviour Southwark Enumeration District: 1 Parish: St Saviour Southwark Address: 32 Newcomer Street Boro S E
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2 Aug 2010 18:03 |
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Robert 1911
Name Relation Condition/ Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born Original census image ROBERTS, Robert Evan Head Widower M 44 1867 Newsagent Daily London Bermondsey VIEW ROBERTS, Florence Eliza Daughter Single F 15 1896 Assista At Home London Walworth VIEW ROBERTS, Lillian Marguirite Daughter F 13 1898 School London Walworth VIEW ROBERTS, Robert Evan Son M 11 1900 School London Walworth VIEW ROBERTS, Dorothy May Daughter F 9 1902 School London Walworth VIEW ROBERTS, Elizabeth Kate Daughter F 3 1908 London Walworth VIEW RG number: RG14 Piece: 1816 Reference: RG14PN1816 RG78PN64 RD23 SD4 ED24 SN422 Registration District: Southwark Sub District: Newington North Enumeration District: 24 Parish: St Mary Newington Address: 93 Elsted St Walworth SE
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brummiejan
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3 Aug 2010 17:57 |
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From June:
Just wondering if you can help, still trying to collect all the census details on Sarah Roberts, I need 1861, 1851 and 1841. I realise that I don't have a maiden name for her, but I have spent nearly all day looking for clues to no avail. I would be extremely grateful if you can come across any details. In 1881 she was 48 years old married to Evan, she was born in Tottenham, Middlesex, England. Her address in 1881 was 81 Bermondsey New Road. Many thanks. June
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brummiejan
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3 Aug 2010 18:02 |
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June, I would strongly advise getting Harriet's birth certificate as Sarah's are ten a penny! Not sure you have a hope otherwise. You are fortunate that they called her by a distinctive name! Jan
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Catherine
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3 Aug 2010 21:16 |
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1871 they are living in Surrey, so possible marriage?
Marriages Dec 1860 (>99%) Abbott Edmund Jehu Rotherhithe 1d 835 Abbott Edmund John Rotherhithe 1d 835 Knight Sarah Rotherhithe 1d 835 Roberts Evan Rotherhithe 1d 835 Sampson Alfred Charles Rotherhithe 1d 835 WAINWRIGHT Sarah Ann Rotherhithe 1d 835
The district Rotherhithe is an alternative name for Rotherhithe and it is in the county of Surrey
...........but I think Jan is absolutely right. You can guess all you want about Sarah's maiden name, but the price of the birth cert. is well worth the money for peace of mind otherwise you'll never be completely sure if you have the correct name.
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Catherine
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3 Aug 2010 21:45 |
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Someone on ancestry has Sarah's maiden name as Knight with father Purvis Knight.
and this as the 1841 census:- Name: Sarah Knight Age: 10 Estimated birth year: abt 1831 Gender: Female Where born: Middlesex, England Civil parish: St Swithin London Stone Hundred: London Within the Walls County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Street Address: Oxford Court
Occupation: Purvis Knight - (looks like) Segar Maker ? Registration district: London Sub-registration district: London South Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Robert Nelson Collins 35 Purvis Knight 30 born: Middlesex Sarah Knight 30 Sarah Knight 10
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3 Aug 2010 21:49 |
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If above is correct then the marriage I found looks to be the correct one.
Here it is in more detail:- Name: Evan Roberts Age: Full Age Estimated birth year: abt 1860 Occupation: Cooper Spouse Name: Sarah Knight Record Type: Marriage Event Date: 25 Dec 1860 Parish: All Saints, Rotherhithe County: Middlesex Borough: Southwark Father Name: Thomas Roberts Occupation: Cooper Spouse Father Name: Purvis Knight Witnesses: William Knight and Emma Long
...............which shows father as Purvis Knight.
Married in 1860, so they should be on the 1861 census together!!!
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3 Aug 2010 22:18 |
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Sarah's parents in 1851:-
Name: Pargis Knight [Purvis Knight] Age: 38 Estimated birth year: abt 1813 Relation: Head Spouse's name: Sarah Gender: Male Where born: Tibenham, Middlesex, England Civil parish: Bethnal Green Ecclesiastical parish: St Jude County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Street Address:
Occupation: Segar Maker Registration district: Bethnal Green Sub-registration district: Church ED, institution, or vessel: 22 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 55 Household Members: Name Age Pargis Knight 38 Sarah Knight 42 born: Rishworth, Surrey
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3 Aug 2010 22:20 |
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Due the unusual name, this may be relevant in the future:-
Name: Anna Knight Record Type: Baptism Date: 6 Nov 1814 Born: 27 Jul 1814 Father's Name: Purvis Knight Occupation: Shoe Maker Mother's Name: Amy Knight Parish: All Hallows, Tottenham Borough: Haringey County: Middlesex
PURVIS KNIGHT - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Marriage: 19 JUN 1809 Saint Botolph Without Aldersgate, London, London, England Spouse: AMEY PENEYEAD
Purvis Knight Baptism 18 Jul 1819 Purvis Knight, Amy Knight All Hallows, Tottenham Haringey (Born 15 Oct 1816) William Knight Baptism 18 Jul 1819 Purvis Knight, Amy Knight All Hallows, Tottenham Haringey James Knight Baptism 3 Mar 1822 Purvis Knight, Amy Knight All Hallows, Tottenham Haringey John Knight Baptism 29 Aug 1824 Purvis Knight, Amy Knight All Hallows, Tottenham Haringey Amy Knight Baptism 1 Aug 1827 Purvis Knight, Amy Knight All Hallows, Tottenham Haringey Debarah Knight Baptism 10 Apr 1833 Purvis Knight, Amy Knight All Hallows, Tottenham Haringey Elizabeth Knight Baptism 10 Apr 1833 Purvis Knight, Amy Knight All Hallows, Tottenham Haringey
NOTE:- Age is a bit just, but could Purvis born 1816 be the father of Sarah?
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