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georgi
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7 Aug 2010 23:08 |
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I am trying to find info on Henry George William Edwards b 1904 in Godstone and George Mitchell Edwards b 1908 Croydon Surrey. They were found on 1911 Census with their Grandmother Charlotte Pook b 1854 Camberwell. She was b Payton. She married Wale & then Edwards and finally Pook. Any info would really be appreciated. Regards, Beryl
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Flick
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7 Aug 2010 23:14 |
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What 'info' do you have in mind?
Their marriages (if they did marry) will be on freebmd...........check it out
http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/
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patchem
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8 Aug 2010 09:00 |
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I think their names are too common to trace marriages. Have you looked for others on this site with common ancestors?
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8 Aug 2010 09:38 |
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1911 census - household transcription Person: POOK, Charlotte Caroline Address: 177 Bynes Road South Croydon Cost: You will be charged 10 credits for a transcript and 30 credits for an image, unless you have purchased a subscription for this set of records. POOK, Charlotte Caroline Head Widow F 56 1855 Tayloress Camberwell EDWARDS, Florence Caroline Daughter In Law Single F 24 1887 General Servant Domestic Croydon******************* EDWARDS, Henry George William Grandson Single M 6 1905 Godstone EDWARDS, George Mitchell Grandson Single M 2 1909 Croydon
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- RG number: RG14 Piece: 3318 Reference: RG14PN3318 RG78PN125 RD39 SD2 ED37 SN253 *********'Daughter in Law' would actually be step-daughter, as she is single, so you won't have much hope of identifying the father(s) of the boys, if that's what you had in mind.
Also, it means that Charlotte was not the grandmother of the boys........Florence's mother would have that blood relationship to them
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Dea
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8 Aug 2010 11:32 |
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This looks like Florence's Baptism ??
Name: Florence Edwards Gender: Female Baptism/Christening Date: 30 May 1886 Baptism/Christening Place: St. Peters, Croydon, Surrey, England
Father's Name: James Edwards Mother's Name: Betsey
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I02191-9 System Origin: England-EASy Source Film Number: 994340 Reference Number: item 4 p 193 Collection: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 .................
It would fit with this birth:
Births Mar 1886 EDWARDS Florence Croydon 2a 269
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Dea
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8 Aug 2010 12:16 |
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This would be Florence on 1891: ............................. 1891 England Census about Florence Edwards Name: Florence Edwards Age: 4 Estimated birth year: abt 1887 Relation: Daughter Mother's Name: Charlotte Gender: Female Where born: Croydon, Surrey, England Civil parish: Croydon Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity Town: Croydon County/Island: Surrey Country: England Street Address: 20 Devonshire Rd.
Registration district: Croydon Sub-registration district: Croydon ED, institution, or vessel: 38 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Charlotte Edwards 37 Wid. Tailoress James Edwards 12 Eliza Edwards 10 Ellen Edwards 7 Florence Edwards 4 William Edwards 1 Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 592; Folio 47; Page 17; GSU roll: 6095702.
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This is the marriage you suggest
Marriages Mar 1888 : -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **EDWARDS James Croydon 2a 271 REEVES Alfred Croydon 2a 271 **WALE Charlotte Caroline Croydon 2a 271 WHITE Maud Minnie Croydon 2a 271
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HANG ON .....
If James Edwards married Charlotte in 1888, who is this Charlotte on 1881???
Looks like the same one to me?? - It is certainly the same family............
1881 England Census about James Edwards Name: James Edwards Age: 27 Estimated birth year: abt 1854 Relation: Lodger (Head) (Lodger) Spouse's name: Charlotte Gender: Male Where born: Croydon, Surrey, England Civil parish: Croydon County/Island: Surrey Country: England Street Address: 14 Forster Rd Condition as to marriage: Married Education:
Employment status: View image Occupation: Labourer Registration district: Croydon Sub-registration district: Croydon ED, institution, or vessel: 31 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Daniel Gaffney 62 Emma Gaffney 56 James Edwards 27 Charlotte Edwards 26 wife Tailoress, b Croydon James Edwards 2 Eliza Edwards 8 months. Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 815; Folio: 35; Page: 21; GSU roll: 1341192.
This would mean that Charlotte is in fact Florence's mother and the marriage to Charlotte Wale is not correct.????
Can you give some more info please?
The 'in law' bit on 1911 looks like it has been added by the enumerator, maybe he assumed this as Florence and the children had a differnt surname??
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P.S. - Off line now till later - will look back then.
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georgi
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8 Aug 2010 16:09 |
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Charlotte Caroline Payton b 1855 Camberwell m William Wale b 1850 London, in 1873. He disappeared and she is found living with James Edwards who she married in 1888. He died in Hospital in 1891. In 1901 she is with Henry George Pook and his c/d, I think. That is Helen Pook 19 & a Florence b Greenwich. In 1911 she is with Florence Caroline Edwards b Croydon 1887 her daughter and her two grandsons. Don't know their mother or father. Hope you can help. Thanks. Regards Beryl
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Dea
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8 Aug 2010 16:28 |
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What do you think about the 1881 census which I posted ???
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georgi
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8 Aug 2010 17:27 |
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Thanks Dea,
Yes we have the 1881 Census & also 1891 Census where Charlotte is a widow with all her c/d. She had an eventful life. Wonder who was the mother of her grandsons. I appreciate all the help.
Regards, beryl
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Flick
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8 Aug 2010 21:13 |
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Beryl
Didn't you take any notice of my comments with regard to the 1911 census?
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georgi
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8 Aug 2010 22:25 |
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Yes, thanks. I have that one but it won't tell me the name of the mother of the boys. Maybe it was Florence Caroline Edwards or Charlotte Ellen or one of the other siblings. I suppose there is no way of finding out except for birth certs. We still can't figure out Eliza 1880 She is listed a Gaffney/Edwards. Any ideas where I can go from here? Regards Beryl
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