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hi, at last I have the marriage cert of mabel becket and george ward, but no luck with the mabel beckett relertives on fr. I now know that my granmother and grandfather were both born in oxford. He was a seaman and serving on the hms conquest. I have some leads now to follow up thanks for all your help

I am asking those people who have a mable becket in there tree to reply and let me look at there tree, very tactfully so we will see what happens next. of corse i am also waiting for the wedd cert of geroge and mable.
I am sorry that he has dided, but really I never new him. maybe I have stepsisters and brothers about somewere.wish me luck. I will let you know what happens re the wards Lin

So unfortunately the death I posted on p.1 would be him then:

Name: Frederick Peter Ward
Birth Date: 25 Feb 1920
Death Registration Month/Year: Apr 2004
Age at death (estimated): 84
Registration district: York
Inferred County: Yorkshire
Register number: C57B
District and Subdistrict: 661/1C
Entry number: 16

I hope the info I sent about his sister leads somewhere.

hi, he was born on the 25th feb 1920. I am just waiting now for the wedding cert of george and mabel ward.

That's good news, it seems a perfect match. At least now you have identified him and know his details.

Can you give us his exact date of birth to see whether it matches with one of the death records I mentioned? If so, the death certificate might give you the name of a family member who registered the death.

hi well I received the birth certificate of fredrick p ward and his middle name is peter, and his father is a valet, the same as on the marriage cert. so I think I have found him. now the get george ward and mables wedding cert, so I can fine out more. no luck with the g r webb site no one replied to me maybe I will try again. Thanks again.

That's great. It's always nice to hear someone is actually going to follow up on info! And whenever it does arrive, any of us who've posted in this thread will see right away when you add something, when we check our "My threads" list for new posts.

I'm pretty sure you wouldn't have access to personal military records from that late. (I'm still waiting for my grandfather's to be released, from 1925.) Possibly if and when you can prove you are immediate family and he's deceased. I have a favourite military genealogist I can check with or refer you to once you're in that position.

Fingers crossed!

(Oh dear, that sounded like "fingers crossed he's deceased". I meant "fingers crossed that's the right one", even if he is likely deceased.)

thank you for all the info, I have now read your private message. I have started by sending for the birth cert of f p ward, mother mabel becket and geroge ward, lets see what info I get from that (thats now a waiting game untill it arrives) I have gone for this one because of he witney as on the marrage cert, of my mother and father. Looks like the birth was in 1920. I have also asked a fellow gr member to look at there tree, I hope they reply. I suppose the next step is to go to kew and look at the navy records.

Um ... I sent you a lot of info about the sister of the person I'm thinking is your Frederick Peter Ward, and her marriage and children. You've read my message. Any thoughts? You may not have read it yet when you posted this. ;)

You did read my last post in the thread here, though? I just wonder because you didn't respond to anything in it ...

hi, george ward was a valet on the wedding certificaten and the wirnesses are my mums brother and my nan, my mums mum. my mum used to write to a sister of fredrick p ward both certificates say freferick peter ward. He was know to my family as peter. also says he was in the navy when they married.

Can you give us the rest of the info from the marriage certificate? Well, given their occupations, the witnesses may not have been family, if they married somewhere other than near home, but just in case, we could check.

Is George's father's occupation stated?

So he was 29 when he married, and that's how you've deduced his year of birth as 1921? What was the exact date of the marriage? (It can make a difference for the age -- if they married in January, he might have had a birthday later in the year, for instance, and so been a year older than the calculation.) (Edit - I think I guessed right; the marriage was Q1 1950, so he was likely born 1920.)

His name was Frederick Peter Ward on the marriage certificate (and your birth certificate), but he was called Peter?

Those are all the thoughts I can think of for now. ;) But if you pass on the full info from the marriage cert, we have have a look.


If he was born in 1920, of course it's very likely he has died.

There are these two deaths since 1969 (when full middle names and birthdates started being included in the index):

Name: Frederick Peter Ward
Birth Date: 28 Jan 1920
Death Registration Month/Year: Oct 1996
Age at death (estimated): 76
Registration district: Wigan and Leigh
Inferred County: Lancashire
Register number: A4B
District and Subdistrict: 0181A
Entry number: 141
-- this one most likely matches with the birth in 1920 in West Derby, and a marriage in 1948 in Liverpool.
-- there is a Frederick P Ward marriage in 1961 in Newton reg dist, Lancashire, which could match this death.


Name: Frederick Peter Ward
Birth Date: 25 Feb 1920
Death Registration Month/Year: Apr 2004
Age at death (estimated): 84
Registration district: York
Inferred County: Yorkshire
Register number: C57B
District and Subdistrict: 661/1C
Entry number: 16



There are marriages for Frederick P R Ward in Edmonton 1940 and Islington 1949 that match up with the birth for that name in Hendon.

There is a Frederick P Ward marriage in 1952 in Tonbridge that could match with the birth in Bromley. These are just guesses!

My best guess at the moment might be that your FPW is the one who died in Yorkshire, since there is no matching birth or marriage in that area.


This birth:

Births Jun 1920
Ward Frederick P (Hubbard) Paddington 1a 40

could well have had father George:

Marriages Jun 1917
Hubbard Louisa M Ward Lambeth 1d 472
Ward George T Hubbard Lambeth 1d 472

There is also:

Marriages Mar 1918
Hubbard Florence G I Ward Ipswich 4a 1991
Ward George T Hubbard Ipswich 4a 1991


For this birth:

Births Dec 1920
Frederick P (Morgan) Bromley 2a 983

there's there's no George Ward + Morgan marriage to match from 1900 onward anyway.


Ah, but wait -- there are Ward-Hubbard births in Paddington as early as 1912, and in 1914, 1915, 1923. So we need an earlier marriage; the Lambeth one doesn't fit.

And the marriage in Paddington that does fit isn't a George Ward, it's a Thomas, 1909. ... And besides, that Frederick P Ward died at age 5.


So just to summarize, the possible births seem to be:

Births Mar 1920
Ward Frederick P (Beekett) Witney 3a 2616
Ward Frederick P (Ward) W.Derby 8b 1307

Births Dec 1920
Frederick P (Morgan ) Bromley 2a 983


I think this birth:

Births Mar 1920
Ward Frederick P (Beekett) Witney 3a 2616

should really be "Beckett".

And this marriage is very close by:

Marriages Dec 1917
Beckett Mabel (Ward) Henley 3a 2169
Ward George (Beckett ) Henley 3a 2169


This is my best guess so far I think. There is one other birth, in Witney, 1924.


There are several people here at GR who have Mabel Beckett born 1896 in Berkshire and I would strongly suspect she is the mother of that particular Frederick P Ward, married to George Ward. If you just search for Mabel Beckett born 1897 +/- 10 years (the range I used just to be sure I caught all possibles), you'll see them.

Those people could be direct descendants themselves, or more distantly related. If you think my calculations work out, you could try to contact them. The approach could be delicate, and I think sometimes people just say something like "I have a Frederick Peter Ward in my tree who I think is the son of George Ward and Mabel Beckett, and I wonder whether you have any information that could confirm that", that sort of thing.

I'll send you the marriage and the other sibling by private message.

they were devorved in 1953. Got the marr. certificate and the father of fredrick was george. my motther was in the airforce and my farther in the navy at the time of there marriage in 1950.

to the kind person with the questions, did you have any more thoughts

........... If you don't know who his parents were and don't know where he was born, how do you know he's not there? ;)

Oops, a tip. After 1911, you have to searching using the middle initial only, not a middle name. So you want Frederick P Ward.

1919 to 1923, you have (I've put brackets around the mother's surname)

Births Mar 1920
Ward Frederick P (Beekett ) Witney 3a 2616
Ward Frederick P (Ward) W.Derby 8b 1307
Ward Frederick P R (Cracknell) Hendon 3a 852

Births Jun 1920
Ward Frederick P (Hubbard) Paddington 1a 40

Births Dec 1920
Frederick P (Morgan ) Bromley 2a 983


Please could you answer some of those questions?

Why are you looking for info about him? What's his connection with you -- through what other person?

Where does the info about his possible place of birth (Oxford) come from?

Where does the info about Joyce's mother's name come from? Any idea what the mother's surname, or father's name, was?

The thing is, there's always a *reason* to be looking for someone. It may be sensitive, true. But something connected with the reason must be known to you, and not to us. If you give us that info -- you're related to his wife, maybe? to a child of his? -- again, it might be more possible to help.


edit -- okay, you were answering as I was typing. Didn't mean to make you disclose personal info if you didn't want to, but it does make a big difference to being able to help.

You do need your parents' marriage certificate, to get FPW's father's name, for starters.


They were married *and* divorced in 1950?

peter ward is or was my father, I know he was in the navy, and worked for the company g.e.c. I have this info word of mouth as my parents were devorced in 1950 and I have not seen him since

I just did he free bmd and hes not there.

Check my post above your last, and see whether you can answer any questions.

I don't know a lot about him, but joyce bentons mother was a jessie

Well ... have you looked at FreeBMD for a possible birth?

http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl

Where do you have the info about his birthdate and wife's name from?

You say you know very little about him, but you still know more than we do!

If you explain your connection with him / why you are searching for him -- and exactly what it is you want to find out! -- and what other names are associated with him (siblings? info about his wife?) it might be more likely someone can help.

If you don't know his father's name and are wanting to trace his ancestry, you need to get his marriage certificate.

I know very little about him except he was in the navy, and he worked for gec. Maybe he was born in oxford