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Hi,
The relation Im having problems tracking down is William Llewellyn (born 1867 in Llangan). In the 1901 Census he is living with his wife Hannah and children Martha, David, Edith, William and Margaret. Also named in the house is Martha Llewellyn (widower aged 87) who is his grandmother. I dont seem to be able to find Williams parents and was wondering if anyone can help me?

Thanks!

Flora

This one?

1901
LLEWELLYN, William Head Married M 34 1867 Coal Miner Below Ground
Llangan
Glamorganshire
LLEWELLYN, Hannah Wife Married F 30 1871
Coychurch Higher
Glamorganshire
LLEWELLYN, Martha Daughter Single F 11 1890
Llangan
Glamorganshire
LLEWELLYN, David Son Single M 9 1892
Llangan
Glamorganshire
LLEWELLYN, Edith Daughter Single F 7 1894
Llangan
Glamorganshire
LLEWELLYN, William Son Single M 4 1897
Llangan
Glamorganshire
LLEWELLYN, Margaret Daughter F 2 1899
Llangan
Glamorganshire

Registration District:
Bridgend Sub District:
Cowbridge Enumeration District:
8 Ecclesiastical Parish:
Llangan

Civil Parish:
Llangan Municipal Borough:
Address:
Treses Village, Llangan County:
Glamorganshire


Martha Llewellyn aged 87 is listed seperately as Head..Widow..but next door to them on the page

1891

LLEWELLYN, William Head Married M 24 1867 Coal Miner
Bridgend
Glamorganshire
LLEWELLYN, Hannah Wife Married F 21 1870
Coychurch
Glamorganshire
LLEWELLYN, Martha Daughter F 9 1882
Llangan
Glamorganshire
LLEWELLYN, Martha Grandmother Widow F 77 1814
Llangan
Glamorganshire

Registration District:
Bridgend Sub District:
Cowbridge Enumeration District:
9 Ecclesiastical Parish:
Llangan

Civil Parish:
Llangan Municipal Borough:
Cowbridge Address:
Tresca Village, Llangan, Cowbridge County:
Glamorganshire

1881
LLEWELLYN, William Servant Single M 14 1867 Farmer Servant (Indoor)
Langan
Glamorganshire
Wales

Address:
Langan Villiage, Llangan

Working next door to where they were in 1871

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Do you have his marriage cert to Hannah?
If not I think you need it to see if he lists a fathers name and occupation.

1871

Martha is 54 on the image NOT 34 ....
LEWELLIN, Martha Head F 37 1834 Glamorgan <<widow? Laundress
LEWELLIN, David Son M 11 1860 Glamorgan
LEWELLIN, William Son M 4 1867 Glamorgan (Langan)

Registration District:
Bridgend Sub District:
Cowbridge Enumeration District:
9 Ecclesiastical Parish:

Civil Parish:
Langan Municipal Borough:
Address:
Feos Village, Langan County:
Glamorganshire

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1861

LLEWELLYN, David Head Married M 44 1817 Agricultural Labourer
Coychurch
Glamorganshire
LLEWELLYN, Martha Wife Married F 44 1817
Pentyrch
Glamorganshire
LLEWELLYN, Margaret Daughter F 9 1852
Llangan
Glamorganshire
LLEWELLYN, Evan Son M 4 1857
Llangan
Glamorganshire
LLEWELLYN, David Son M 3 1858
Llangan
Glamorganshire
LLEWELLYN, Hopkin Nephew M 16 1845 Agricultural Labourer
Pentyrch
Glamorganshire

Registration District:
Bridgend Sub District:
2 Cowbridge Enumeration District:
9 Ecclesiastical Parish:

Civil Parish:
Llangan Municipal Borough:
Address:
Treoes, Llangan County:
Glamorganshire

It would seem that where Martha is listed as Grandmother on 1891 it is to mean Grandmother of the children in the house I have seen it many times before like that,and I strongly believe that she is in fact Williams mother ,although a little old at 49/50 ish to be giving birth,but it did happen as my own gran was 48 when she had her last child...

Unless of course she really is his Grandmother and therefore he must be one of her daughters son and he is down on 1871 as SON to save face..!

This cert will verify his fathers name and occupation(I hope)

Marriages Jun 1889
HOWELLS Hannah Bridgend 11a 1011
Llewellyn William Bridgend 11a 1011

Possible births for him

Births Dec 1866
Llewellyn William Bridgend 11a 435
Births Dec 1867
Llewellyn William Bridgend 11a 447
Births Mar 1868
LLEWELLYN William Bridgend 11a 452

Flora on the 1901 census Martha is actually the Head and lives next door. It says nothing about her being a Grandmother!

But it does on 1891 Susan,so it looks as though Flora has her census years muddled,easily done...

Flora you have posted this 4 times (on one I've duplicated a couple of things). Please don't post more than one thread on the same subject.

I think I found a different 1871 but the one above probably correct:

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.asp?wci=thread&tk=1236184

Jan

Posted 5 times Jan.!

Flora it really is not done to post more than one thread on a family.
We all look at all the boards and as you can see people are asking the same questions on each and pretty much coming up with the same things until told that others are working on it elsewhere.
It truly is a waste of time for the helpers on here.

There are posts by GenesReunited Stickied on the Surname board

HOW TO USE THE 'SURNAME INFORMATION' BOARD


and Trying to Find

at the top of each and if you read them they set out the guidelines for posting to try and get help.

Hi Everyone,

I am sorry for posting my message in different places! - this is all a bit new to me and I wasn't sure who looked at which boards and how often, so sorry if I made more work for people - it wasn't intentional!
Thank you so much for all of your help! I had found his marriage to Hannah Howells and got the certificate but unfortunately the father's occupation and name are both blank. I'm not sure if this is quite common or what the reason would be for this being blank?
Thank you for all the reasearch - I will see what else I can find now!

Flora

The absence of a father's name probably means he is illegitimate. Do the witnesses offer any clues? Often family members.
Jan