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I am adding this post because I hope to alert other members in future to a particular search, in case it reappears, and help fellow "helpers" avoid having their time wasted. I went looking today for the thread I posted extensively in last night, and found it gone, along with the previous threads. With no apology that I saw. Let alone thanks for the information I had found.
There were posts on TTF, Surname Info and Records Office. A search for any of these names in future should find this post and head off any more wasted time. I will copy my posts from last night to one of the threads.
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JaneyCanuck Today at 00:50
His page at Canada's Virtual War Memorial (with the same info as at the CWGC site), which includes a link to the page he appears on in the Books of Remembrance:
http://www.vac-acc.gc.ca/remembers/sub.cfm?
source=collections/virtualmem/Detail&casualty=2464558
http://www.vac-acc.gc.ca/content/collections/books/bww2/ww2056.jpg
The Books of Remembrance are ornate volumes in which all of Canada's war dead are recorded. They are kept in the Peace Tower at the centre of Parliament, and one page a day is turned.
His father Owen Robert Baker was in the Canadian Expeditionary Forces in WWI; search here:
http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/cef/001042-100.01-e.php
Direct link to his attestation paper:
http://data2.archives.ca/cef/well1/222280a.gif
He was born in Indianapolis, Indiana, on May 4, 1885, he was a musician, and he enrolled in 1915. As next of kin he named a cousin, Katherine Haage(?), in New York City.
Many men travelled from the US to enrol in Canada at a time when the US was not in the war.
This would explain him marrying in England.
JaneyCanuck Today at 01:05
Just a note about this:
"Son of Owen Robert and Louisa Catherine Maud Baker, of Stanford, Kent."
The apparent daughter Joan was born in 1920.
I would strongly suspect that Raymond 1922 was born in the US.
He was killed in WWI in January 1942 -- again, before the US was in the war -- and he was in the Canadian military.
So it makes sense to think that he had followed in his father's footsteps -- trevelled from the US and enrolled in the Canadian military.
His parents would not necessarily actually have been in Kent at the time.
My great-uncle's WWI 1918 casualty entry at CWGC/VAC states that he is the son of (for example) John and Mary Smith of East Ham. In fact, Mary had been dead for 7 years, and the entire family had been living in Canada since 1909.
So Raymond's parents could well have been in the US at the time he enrolled for WWII in Canada.
JaneyCanuck Today at 01:17
Mind you ...
Name: Louisa Catherine M Baker
Birth Date: 20 Jun 1898
Death Registration Month/Year: 1978
Registration district: Ashford
Inferred County: Kent
Volume: 16
Page: 0051
Name: Louisa Catherine M Fifield
Year of Registration: 1898
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Elham
County: Kent
Volume: 2a
Page: 1076
JaneyCanuck Today at 01:27
So, this has been another great big waste of my bleeding time.
http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.asp?wci=thread&tk=1235887
Sarah 18th August 2010 20:49
I'm trying to find out info about Owen Robert Baker born in Indianopolis 1886 and died in canada nova scotia 1927.
I don't really know where to begin???
Sarah
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JaneyCanuck Today at 01:29
http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.asp?wci=thread&tk=1235890
I wonder how many more I can find.
I wonder how many people have been exploited and had their time wasted.
JaneyCanuck Today at 01:32
Here we go, from just last week also.
http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.asp?wci=thread&tk=1234984&px=6
http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.asp?wci=thread&tk=1234984&px=7
How many people, answering the same questions with the same answers ...
I returned just now to find all threads deleted and no apology or thanks in my inbox.
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Hi JaneyCanuck
Just come across your research for Louisa,she was my husband's grandmother who I knew very well and visited over many years.His mother Joan was about 6 months old when she and her mother sailed to Nova Scotia Canada in mid1920 to met husband Owen .We think their son Raymond was born in Canada in 1921 even though he served in the British Army,he died 24/01/1942 when his ship was attacked by a U-boat, been unable to confirm the place of his birth. I think she went to Canada with her sister Emma and Arthur Barteaux , her husband - was he also in the CEF and a Army mate of Owen's. I know she flew to Canada in 1968 to visit Emma and Arthur. Please can you supply any answers or advise me of the relevant web sites to carry out research as not very computer literate. Kind regards Ann
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Well hello, Ann. I'm afraid, as you can see, that the person doing this search deleted all her threads. However, I seem to have saved most of the content for an occasion like this. ;)
If you want to send me an email address by private message -- click on my name here -- I will forward the copy to you and let you sift through it all.
I don't really have it in me to try to figure it all out again ... but do note what I copied above regarding father Owen:
Direct link to his (Canadian) attestation paper:
http://data2.archives.ca/cef/well1/222280a.gif
He was born in Indianapolis, Indiana, on May 4, 1885, he was a musician, and he enrolled in 1915. As next of kin he named a cousin, Katherine Haage(?), in New York City.
If Raymond was born in Canada, you will not be able to access his birth record from any public source. Canadian privacy legislation restricts access to data about living or possibly living people.
I did give the link above for searching CEF attestation papers:
http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/cef/001042-100.01-e.php
BARTEAUX, ARTHUR EDWARD
http://data2.archives.ca/cef/well2/227734a.gif
-- but his wife was Margaret, living in Nova Scotia.
I don't see the Barteaux couple in passenger lists at FMP:
http://www.findmypast.co.uk/passengerListPersonSearchStart.action
BAKER Louisa 1899 F 1920 Liverpool Canada Halifax
BAKER Joan 1915 F 1920 Liverpool Canada Halifax
Possibly Joan was 5 months and it has been misread as 5 years? I don't pay to view.
Births Mar 1920
Baker Joan L Fifield Elham 2a 2804
"Barteaux" could be badly mistranscribed at FMP. You could view the image to see whether the other couple is with them.
Marriages Dec 1917
Barteaux Arthur E Fifield Elham 2a 2729
Fifield Emma C M Barteaux Elham 2a 2729
Hmm. Arthur E fits with the name on the CEF record.
Birth:
Barteaux, Arthur Edward Moschelle, Annapolis County 1882
Death:
Barteaux, Arthur Edward Port Wade, Annapolis County 1951
Date of birth fits with the CEF record. There's no death for a Margaret Barteaux or an Emma Barteaux there.
But that's all by the bye. ;)
Births in NS are available only up to 1909
https://www.novascotiagenealogy.com/
so if that's where Raymond was born, you won't be able to access the record.
However, see that website --
"Inquiries about these records and requests for copies of them, must be made directly to
Vital Statistics, Service Nova Scotia and Municipal Relations
Births 1910-present"
See here:
http://www.gov.ns.ca/snsmr/access/vitalstats.asp
http://www.gov.ns.ca/snsmr/access/vitalstats/birth-certificate.asp
You have proof of his death:
http://www.vac-acc.gc.ca/remembers/sub.cfm?
source=collections/virtualmem/Detail&casualty=2464558
so you *might* be able to ask the Nova Scotia authorities for a search for his birth and a copy of the certificate.
I hope that helps!
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