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thanks invisible for your help - i think this is the most likely as Sabden Langho and Blackburn are'nt a million miles apart

thanks for your help Andy - at least i know i'm not going mad now as i couldnt find a birth either

thank you Shirley, its looking like he was b. in Sabden after all - i dont think i'll convince his daughter tho'

i may have to dismiss this one as grandads marriage cert for 1919 has him down as 23yrs that would make him b. 1896

theres no births reg in salford for a Frederick Bell for that time
the one I listed born salford aged i is actually reg as George Frederick on the births so not your man

plus i really cannot find a birth for him anywhere

I do have 114 Hancock St Blackburn Lancs oh his marriage cert for 1919 so i suppose he could have moved since 1911 from no.18 Just the sabden worries me - his daughter is 87, still alive and insists he was b in Salford

father Robert is a cotton weaver so its more likely that family

or is it this one has a sister Eva but not born salford
Name: Fred Bell
Age: 6
Estimated birth year: abt 1895
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Robert Bell
Mother's Name: Elizabeth A Bell
Gender: Male
Where born: Sabden, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Blackburn
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
Town: Blackburn
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:118 Hancock Street

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Blackburn
Sub-registration district: Blackburn, Southern
ED, institution, or vessel: 46
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 193
Household Members: Name Age
Robert Bell 42 occ cotton weaver
Elizabeth A Bell 40
Annie Bell 20
Alfred Bell 15
Joseph Bell 14
Walter Bell 13
Lydia Bell 12
Alice Bell 10
Eva Bell 7
Fred Bell 6
Osborn Bell 2


Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 3916; Folio: 38; Page: 28.

grandma and his daughter both say he was b.Salford Lancs

occupation on marriage cert is cotton weaver

cotton weaver

1911 ??
BELL, Robert Head Married M 51 1860 Cotton Weaver Blackburn Lancs VIEW
BELL, Lizzie Wife Married
30 years F 50 1861 Home Northumberland Belfast VIEW
BELL, Joseph Son Single M 24 1887 Dobby Loom Overlooker Tackler Longho Lancs VIEW
BELL, Walter Son Single M 23 1888 Driver For Lurry Longho Lancs VIEW
BELL, Lydia Daughter Single F 22 1889 Cotton Weaver Longho Lancs VIEW
BELL, Alice Daughter Single F 20 1891 Cotton Weaver Blackburn Lancs VIEW
BELL, Eva Daughter Single F 20 1891 Cotton Weaver Blackburn Lancs VIEW
BELL, Fred Son Single M 15 1896 Apprentice Sabden Lancs VIEW
BELL, Osborne Son M 12 1899 Blackburn Lancs VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
25080 Reference:
RG14PN25080 RG78PN1436 RD474 SD5 ED20 SN14

Registration District:
Blackburn Sub District:
Blackburn South Western Enumeration District:
20 Parish:
Blackburn

Address:
18 Hancock St Blackburn

Possible??

1901 England Census
about Fred Bell
Name: Fred Bell
Age: 6
Estimated birth year: abt 1895
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Robert Bell
Mother's Name: Elizabeth A Bell
Gender: Male
Where born: Sabden, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Blackburn
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
Town: Blackburn
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Blackburn
Sub-registration district: Blackburn, Southern
ED, institution, or vessel: 46
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 193
Household Members: Name Age
Robert Bell 42 Cotton Weaver
Elizabeth A Bell 40
Annie Bell 20
Alfred Bell 15
Joseph Bell 14
Walter Bell 13
Lydia Bell 12
Alice Bell 10
>>Eva Bell 7
>>Fred Bell 6
Osborn Bell 2


Andy

maybe born a bit later than you thought
1901 census
Name: Frederick Bell
Age: 1
Estimated birth year: abt 1900
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Robert Bell
Mother's Name: Kate Bell
Gender: Male
Where born: Salford, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Broughton
Ecclesiastical parish: Higher Broughton St James
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:20 Bond Street

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Salford
Sub-registration district: Broughton
ED, institution, or vessel: 38
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 122
Household Members: Name Age
Robert Bell 45 occ tailor
Kate Bell 33
Robert Bell 7
Herbert Bell 3
Frederick Bell 1



Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 3727; Folio: 36; Page: 21.

so aged 1 at census could have been born mid 1899

What evidence do you have to suggest that Frederick was born in Salford?

What was the occupation of Robert?

I' looking for my grandads BIRTH or any census' of Frederick Bell b.abt 1896 in salford Lancs (father Robert)
He married Elsie Heywood in 1919 in Blackburn Lancs
Elsie was b.1897 in Rochdale Lancs
Frederick had at least one sister called Eva Bell
Frederick died in march 1949 any information as to his mother or family members and addresses very welcome