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I am trying to find this family prior to the 1881 census as there does not seem to be an sign of them. Is there anyone out there that can help? I am particulartly interested in Elizabeth aged three as she is called Price Evans. I have a suspicion she is linked to the Evans family at no.45 as she was a witness at the wedding of Griffith Evans in 1900. Also, in the 1901 cencus she is visiting the home of William Evans at no.10 Railway Terrace. My true interest is the the Evans.
No.26 Greenfield Row details
896 PRICE, John Head Married M 50 1831 Mason
Cardiganshire
Wales VIEW
896 PRICE, Eleanor Wife Married F 51 1830
Cardiganshire
Wales VIEW
896 PRICE, John Son Single M 27 1854 Shoemaker
Cardiganshire
Wales VIEW
896 PRICE, Jane Daughter Single F 25 1856 Dressmaker
Cardiganshire
Wales VIEW
896 PRICE, Winifred Daughter Single F 19 1862 Dressmaker
Cardiganshire
Wales VIEW
896 PRICE, William Son Single M 17 1864 Coal Miner
Cardiganshire
Wales VIEW
896 PRICE, Isaac Son Single M 13 1868 Scholar
Cardiganshire
Wales VIEW
896 PRICE, Abraham Son Single M 11 1870 Scholar
Cardiganshire
Wales VIEW
896 EVANS, Elizabeth P Daughter Single F 3 1878 Scholar
Cwmpark
Glamorganshire
Wales VIEW
no.45 Greenfield row details:
879 EVANS, William Head Married M 30 1851 Coal Miner
Montgomery
Montgomeryshire
Wales VIEW
879 EVANS, Mary Wife Married F 26 1855
Llanwrnam
Cardiganshire
Wales VIEW
879 EVANS, Mary E Daughter Single F 7 1874 Scholar
Llanwrnam
Cardiganshire
Wales VIEW
879 EVANS, Wm John Son Single M 5 1876 Scholar
Cwmpark
Glamorganshire
Wales VIEW
879 EVANS, Griffith E Son Single M 3 1878 Scholar
Ffestiniog
Merionethshire
Wales VIEW
879 EVANS, Isaac E Son Single M 1 1880
Cwmpark
Glamorganshire
Wales VIEW

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RG number:
RG11 Piece:
5303 Folio:
106 Page:
46

Registration District:
Pontypridd Sub District:
Ystradyfodwg Enumeration District:
Ecclesiastical Parish:


Civil Parish:
Ystradyfodwg Municipal Borough:
Address:
45, Greenfield Row, Ystradyfodwg County:
Glamorganshire

Hope this makes sense!
cheers
Ken

Here's the family in 1871:-

Name: John Pryse
Age: 40
Estimated birth year: abt 1831
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Elinor Pryse
Gender: Male
Where born: Llanafan, Cardiganshire, Wales
Civil parish: Llanafan
County/Island: Cardiganshire
Country: Wales
Registration district: Aberystwith
Sub-registration district: Rheidol
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Household schedule number: 102w
Household Members:
Name Age
John Pryse 40
Elinor Pryse 40
John Pryse 17
Jane Pryse 14
Winifred Pryse 10
William Pryse 6
Isaac Pryse 3
Abraham Pryse 1

............but if Elizabeth was born in 1878, then you won't find her on any earlier census records.

1871 Wales Census
John Pryse Age: 40 Estimated birth year: abt 1831 Relation: Head Spouse's name: Elinor Pryse Gender: Male Where born: Llanafan, Cardiganshire, Wales Civil parish: Llanafan County/Island: Cardiganshire Country: Wales Registration district: Aberystwith Sub-registration district: Rheidol ED, institution, or vessel: 8 Household schedule number: 102
John Pryse 40
Elinor Pryse 40
John Pryse 17
Jane Pryse 14
Winifred Pryse 10
William Pryse 6
Isaac Pryse 3
Abraham Pryse 1
Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 5567; Folio: 39; Page: 21; GSU roll: 850869.

1861 Wales Census
John Pryse Age: 31 Estimated birth year: abt 1830 Relation: Head Spouse's name: Elenor Pryse Gender: Male Where born: Llanafan Civil Parish or Township: Llanafan County/Island: Cardiganshire Country: Wales Registration district: Aberystwyth Sub-registration district: Rheidol ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Household schedule number: 62
John Pryse 31
Elenor Pryse 30
Mary Pryse 9
John Pryse 7
Jame Pryse 5
Elizabeth Pryse 3
Winifull Pryse 3 MO
Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 4199; Folio: 39; Page: 14; GSU roll: 543250.

Hi Catherine and Patricia.
Thank you so much - Ive been looking for hours. never even thought of the different spelling!
With regard to Elizabeth I appreciate that she would not show on any cencus but thought maybe someone could find her birth ref??
Thanks again,
Ken

In the 1881 census her name is given as Elizabeth P. Evans and although she is noted as daughter, it could be that she is Granddaughter and her parents were male Evans and female Price.

How do you know that her middle name was Price? I can find two birth in Wales for an Elizabeth P. Evans but neither are middle name Price.

Hi Catherine,
in the 1901 census she is visiting the William Evans of no. 45 Greenfield Row. Here are the details: Albert Watkins is the head of household and the address is 10 Railway Terrace. you will see William is a boarder and he is being visited by Elizabeth Price Evans. I am also in possesion of the marriage certificate of Griffith Evans of no. 45 - he is my grandfather. On the marriage cert. Elizabeth Price Evans is one witness. The other is a Frank Young who I also found in Greenfield Row, same age. There may be nothing in it but it seems a coincidence. you will see that Williams spouse(my great grandfather) is a Price so I have been trying to work out if there is a connection but it is frying my brain. Even if you find no other info you have been an fantastic help!
Ken

If this is her marriage, then the cert. will give you her father's name and occupation, which may help confirm any findings:-

Marriages Jun 1902 (>99%)
Evans Elizabeth Price Pontypridd 11a 794
Need Alfred Payne Pontypridd 11a 794
Walter Rees Christmas Pontypridd 11a 794

Do you think they could have just made her name up? Ken - Either the Price or the Evans bit.?

1911 seems to confirm that her middle name was Price:-

NEED, Alfred Payne Head Married M 28 1883 Collier Hewer Cheltenham Glos VIEW
NEED, Elizabeth Price Wife Married 8 years F 32 1879 Cwmpark Glam VIEW
NEED, William Thomas Son M 0 (1 WEEK) 1911 Cwmpark Glam VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
32345 Reference:
RG14PN32345 RG78PN1853A RD589 SD4 ED17 SN105

Registration District:
Pontypridd Sub District:
Rhondda Enumeration District:
17 Parish:
Rhondda

Address:
19 Tallis Street County:
Glamorganshire

I think the marriage cert. would well be worth buying!

Hi catherine,
That really is good stuff. can you tell me one thing though - why does it say 'need' in front of the names? Ken

Hi Ken,
Need is the Surname.
She married Alfred Payne NEED.

This looks to be her death:-

Name: Elizabeth P Need
Death Registration Month/Year: 1941
Age at death (estimated): 62
Registration district: Pontypridd
Inferred County: Glamorganshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 1105

Told you I was fried! I thought Need was meaning something.
I cant thank you enough for all your help.
Ken

No problem, Ken. It's an uncommon name and it is getting late. I'm signing off now but will try and look in tomorrow to see if anyone else has found anything.
Catherine