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i have found a record on the 1851 census for family of james daniel fransis lavell 2 ava maria lane london next door is elizabeth and sarah kisser in my tree sarah kisser born 1869 is married to henry lavell these are direct ancestors I cannot make the connection dispite making a full tree for james i cannot believe there is not a connection he was born in 1813 my tree reads henry born 1816 then henry born 1843 herne bay then henry born 1869 i am tearing my hair out with this any suggestion please

June - please don't be annoyed, I've just done this to make it easier to get info to search on:

I have found a record on the 1851 census for family of James Daniel Fransis Lavell at 2 Ava Maria Lane, London.

Next door is Elizabeth and Sarah Kisser. In my tree Sarah Kisser (born 1869) is married to Henry Lavell.

These are direct ancestors. I cannot make the connection despite making a full tree for James - I cannot believe there is not a connection.

He (James) was born in 1813. My tree reads Henry born 1816, then Henry born 1843 in Herne Bay, then Henry born 1869.

I am tearing my hair out with this - any suggestion please

For reference:


London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about Sarah Kisser
Name: Sarah Kisser
Age: 20
Estimated birth year: abt 1870
Spouse Name: Henry Lavell
Spouse Age: 22
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 25 May 1890
Parish: St Mary, Newington
County: Middlesex
Borough: Southwark
Spouse Father Name: Henry Lavell ....Potters Labr.
Father \john Kisser - Labr.

address 2 Danson Rd.
Dea x

1881

Henry LAVELL Head M Male 37 Herne Bay, Kent, England Potters Lab
Caroline LAVELL Wife M Female 40 Lambeth
Mary A. LAVELL Daug Female 13 Lambeth Scholar
Henry LAVELL Son Male 11 Lambeth Scholar
Martha LAVELL Daug Female 8 Lambeth Scholar
William T. LAVELL Son Male 4 Lambeth Scholar
George LAVELL Son Male 2 Lambeth


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Source Information:
Dwelling 6 Salamanca Cottages
Census Place Lambeth, Surrey, England
Family History Library Film 1341135
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 0592 / 46
Page Number 18

How can Sarah Kisser, born 1869, be next door to someone in the 1851 census?

Here's a marriage between Henry Lavell and Sarah Kisser:

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Jun 1890 (>99%)
BEALE George St. Saviour 1d 354
Hawkins Eliza St. Saviour 1d 354
***Kisser Sarah St Saviour 1d 354
***Lavell Henry St. Saviour 1d 354

A copy of that certificate will give you the parentage and help you make the connection.

This is the birth for the Sarah Kisser living next door to James Lavell in 1851.

Births Dec 1841 (>99%)
Kisser Sarah Harriet London 2 166

Which family are you trying to connect, Lavell or Kisser?

Christine

This is possibly the Sarah Kisser that Henry (b1869) married:


1881 England Census
about Sarah Kisser
Name: Sarah Kisser
Age: 11
Estimated birth year: abt 1870
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: John Kisser
Mother's Name: Sarah Kisser
Gender: Female
Where born: Southwark, Surrey, England

Civil parish: Southwark St George Martyr
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address: 40 Duke St
Education:

Employment status:

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Occupation: Scholar

Registration district: St Saviour Southwark
Sub-registration district: London Road
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
John Kisser 37
Sarah Kisser 27
John Kisser 6
Esther Kisser 4
Louise Kisser 0
Ann Smith 49
****Sarah Kisser 11
Maria Kisser 9

thankyou all for your replys I already have all the info you kindly took the time to look up i have been researching for 25 years and have hundreds and hundreds of records on both familys (good job i sold paper for a living lol)
I perhaps did not make my self very clear in my orginal request the record for 1851 which names kissers and lavells living next door to each other is the connection I want to make I cannot believe these are not relatives.
Family legend says a james lavell supplied port to lord nelson for the battle of trafalgar we once found a ref to this on line but some how i have managed to lose it and have spent many hours trying on line to get it with no luck.
there is a james on 1841 in castle street london who fits the time period but this is possible james 1813 father.

1881

John KISSER Head M Male 37 Lambeth, Surrey, England Potter (Earthre Manuf)
Sarah KISSER Wife M Female 27 Birmingham, Warwick, England
John KISSER Son Male 6 Southwark, Surrey, England Scholar
Esther KISSER Daur Female 4 Southwark, Surrey, England Scholar
Louise KISSER Daur Female 8 m Southwark, Surrey, England
Ann SMITH Lodger W Female 49 Holborn, Middlesex, England Seamstress
Sarah KISSER Daur Female 11 Southwark, Surrey, England Scholar
Maria KISSER Daur Female 9 Southwark, Surrey, England Scholar


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Source Information:
Dwelling 40 Duke St
Census Place Southwark St George Martyr, Surrey, England
Family History Library Film 1341119
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 0530 / 145
Page Number 18