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1910 US census -- I don't pay for details:

Albert M Vivian
wife Edith M
city, Houghton, Michigan abt 1874

children:
Stuart M Vivian 1906
George A Vivian 1909

These are Edith Mary Vivian York's siblings.

Name: Stuart Marshall Vivian
Birth Date: 6 Dec 1905
Death Registration Month/Year: Apr 1993
Age at death (estimated): 87
Registration district: Exeter
Inferred County: Devon
Register number: B48F
District and Subdistrict: 4081B
Entry number: 187

Name: George Albert Vivian
Birth Date: 1 Nov 1908
Death Registration Month/Year: 1980
Registration district: Bristol
Inferred County: Avon
Volume: 22
Page: 0322


I don't see marriages for either of them in England. Oh, but a 1969 marriage of a George A Vivian in Bristol could be a late/re-marriage for George. The death certificates could give a family member's name as informant.


Oh - to remove your email address, go to your first message and click Edit in the lower left corner. Then just delete it from the text and submit.

The real reason the management doesn't want it there is so people can't contact one another without paying fees, but it's still unwise. ;)

Could Edith and Albert have emigrated and returned??

VIVIAN Edith 1871 F 1902 Southampton USA New York

VIVIAN Albert 1875 M 1901 Southampton USA New York
VIVIAN Albert Unknown M 1910 Southampton USA New York

If Albert preceded Edith and that explains his absence from the 1901 census?

There is an Andrew Vivian 1866 travelling in 1901 with that Albert.

1891 census:

Name: Albert M Vivian
Age: 17
Estimated birth year: abt 1874
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Nicholas Vivian
Mother's Name: Mary J Vivian
Where born: St Neot, Cornwall, England

Civil parish: St Agnes
Town: Hitchins Row
County/Island: Cornwall

Nicholas Vivian 52
Mary J Vivian 52
>> Andrew Vivian 25 = c1866
Mary J Vivian 22
Albert M Vivian 17
Annie Vivian 11
Edith Vivian 9


I do believe that is the explanation for their absence from the 1911!

There are dozens of Vivians in Houghton county, Michigan, in 1910, including Albert's brother Andrew. And an Emma J who matches theone in the 1891 census and is likely Andrew's wife.

Two of us here, Andy.

The "H" is a misreading of the typewritten GRO index -- the image is a little fuzzy.

So, those birth cert details are the details you want to start out by giving, not wait for someone to "find" them in an effort to help you!

So the parents were married in 1900 and Edith was born in 1915 -- likely the last of their children.

So here's how we *look for* people ...

FreeBMD:

Births Mar 1874
VIVIAN Albert Marshall Liskeard 5c 59

Births Sep 1873
Stribley Edith Maud Truro 5c 157

http://www.1911census.co.uk/search/tnaform.aspx

The 1911 census.

... I'm not finding them.

1901:

Name: Edith M Vivian
Age: 27
Estimated birth year: abt 1874
Relation: Head
Where born: St Agnes, Cornwall, England
Civil parish: St Agnes
County/Island: Cornwall
Condition as to marriage: married

Next door are Emma J Vivian, married, 30, and her sister Clara J Willcocks, single, sister, 27.

So is this Edith in 1911?

VIVIAN EDITH 1874 37 Redruth Cornwall

Searching for surname Vivian living with Edith Vivian in Redruth ...

VIVIAN JOHNSON 1865 46
VIVIAN LINDA 1882 29
VIVIAN SYLVIA G 1904 7
VIVIAN DORIS 1905 6
VIVIAN GODFREY HUGH 1908 3

Still no Albert.

And that's because that Edith is Johnson's wife -- here they are in 1901 in Phillack:

Johnson Vivian 35
Edith Vivian 26
Nicholas Tripp 17


Yours have to be around somewhere! and would very likely have other children, siblings of Edith Mary, since one wouldn't think they had only one child, 15 years after marrying ...


Edith Mary and her husband York did have one child. There's one particularly likely marriage for his name. That person and his wife appear on the 2002 electoral roll at www.192.com.

I will send you info privately. (Sent current contact details for the child.)

Quoy, point taken about e mail.your details sent are very nearly true, all except the H.
birth cert obtained :- 20/1/1915, Edith Mary-girl-Albert Marshal Vivian, father, Edith Maude Vivian formerly Stribley, mother. occupation ,Farmer. signature, E.M.Vivian, mother,Churchtown Newlyn.registered, 23/2/1915. Charles H Hawke. registrar. cert no.FD541076
she was my birth mother in 1936 hampstead hospital as a bastard, father unknown. later to be adopted into the Palmer family.

Albert Marshal Vivians tree is on Ancestry

Nah, it drives RR crazy, I do it all the time myself!

Sorry Janey

I'm betting Vivian isn't her surname. You undoubtedly entered a surname in the surname line, but only people who have already filtered the trying to find board by that surname know what it is. Catch 22.

The best way to find people is to look for them.

If you don't know Edith's siblings' names, find her birth at FreeBMD

http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl

as Edith M V [surname]

It will show her mother's surname. Then search for other births with those two surnames.

Then you can search for their marriages. FreeBMD may not be transcribed far enough into the 20th century to have them; others here with access to Ancestry can help after that. You can then search (or get help to find) for their children. At that point any info would be given to you privately as the children could be living.

You can receive messages through this system. While Gmail is secure and doesn't disclose your ilocation, for instance, it's never a good idea to post one's identity (full real name) on the internet. (Which is why many here remove surname information from their account details and use only pen names -- your full name can be seen by clicking on your username.) I could put my Gmail address on here entirely safely, since I have several of them in various pen names.

A quick search of FreeBMD while I was typing shows only three Edith Ms born in Cornwall in first quarter 1915: Ayris, Hockin and Seager, none with initial V.

Well, surname Vivian after all.

Marriages Jun 1937
Vivian Edith M York Bournemouth 2b
York Reuben J Vivian Bournemouth 2b 1661

But no Edith M Vivian born after 1909.

... Well, there would have been, if someone hadn't misread her entry in the GRO births index:

Births Mar 1915
Vivian Edith H Stribley St.Columb 5c 136


There, a boost. And I'll finish it off by saying there are no other Vivian-Stribley births, unfortunately. But you can look for her parents' marriage, etc. There is one York-Vivian birth.

You can submit a correction to FreeBMD (click on "info" beside her name after doing the search) after viewing the image. You can also add a "postem" to her name with an email address so people who search for her can contact you.


Ah, Quoy did that thing that drives Rambling Rose crazy, edited before I submitted. ;)

Marriages Jun 1900 (>99%)
Stribley Edith Maude Truro 5c 269
Vivian Albert Marshall Truro 5c 269

Hi Andy
you should really take your e mail addy off it is not safe.

is this her ??

Edith H Vivian
Year of Registration: 1915
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Mother's Maiden Name: Stribley
County: Cornwall
Volume: 5c

looking to find relations of Edith Mary Vivian 20/1/1915 birth in church town newlyn Cornwall UK..
later to wed a Reuben York in 1937.
you may if you wish direct reply. andy.palmer@ gmail.com