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Trying to find where in Ireland John was born. He was married to Catherine Green, also from Ireland. 1871 lived in Bacup, Lancashire.

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1871 England Census

Name: John Green
Age: 40
Estimated birth year: abt 1831
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Catherine Green
Gender: Male
Where born: Ireland
Civil parish: Newchurch
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
Town: Bacup
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Haslingden
Sub-registration district: Newchurch

John Green 40
Catherine Green 36
Thomas Green 21
Michael Green 16
James Green 16
Hannah Green 14
Catherine Green 10
Martha Green 3
Patrick Susan 16 brother born Ireland

All children born Manchester. Patrick's surname isn't Susan but difficult to make out.

FMP have Patrick Susan as this on 1871

LAVIN, Patrick Boarder M 16 1855 Ireland

It could be that or very similar.

Based on that FBG have looked for a marriage, but I fear this is too early - Catherine would be 11!! She would have been very young when she married, assuming John is her son (only about 15 when he was born) but I doubt that young even back then! A pity. Probably looking at a marriage in Ireland in any case.

Marriages Mar 1847
COEN James Hayfield &c 19 457
Green John Hayfield 19 457
Lavin Catherine Hayfield 19 457
RABBIT Bridget Hayfield &c 19 457

I had a look on

http://pilot.familysearch.org

For a marriage,but nothing coming up.

I cant find them on ANY other census at all to see if they list a proper birth place in Ireland,I think I will have to give up this lark as nothing is going well today.!

Where is Hayfield?Gonna Google dont fret.(Derbyshire)

I do find though that the Irish born years of birth are very dodgy and change wildly on census,also I have found a lot of children down as born over here and turn out to have been born Ireland.
Better for work and stuff back then to be English born I think what with the
No Irish,No dogs etc...
I hate discrimination, so thank Evans things are better now..

Edit

Big gap between these 2

Catherine Green 10
Martha Green 3

Some died or second marriage?
Prob some died as Catherine is named for mother I would have thought.

1861 ???
Ann being Hannah.
John has same occupation as on 1871

GREEN, John Head Married M 33 1828 Cotton Weaver
Ireland
GREEN, Catherine Wife Married F 33 1828 Cotton Weaver
Ireland
GREEN, Mary Daughter F 13 1848 Cotton Corn Tenter
Manchester
Lancashire
GREEN, Thos Son M 12 1849 Cotton Doffer
Manchester
Lancashire
GREEN, Michael Son M 9 1852 Cotton Doffer
Manchester
Lancashire
GREEN, James Son M 5 1856 Scholar
Manchester
Lancashire
GREEN, Ann Daughter F 3 1858
Manchester
Lancashire

Registration District:
Rochdale Sub District:
10 Whitworth Enumeration District:
6 Ecclesiastical Parish:
St Bartholomews

Civil Parish:
Spotland Municipal Borough:
Address:
Facit, Spotland County:
Lancashire


So it looks as though your marriage could well be theirs Jan..!

At last.......1851


BOYES, Thomas Head Married M 33 1818 Shoe Maker
Ireland
BOYES, Ann Wife Married F 33 1818
Ireland
BOYES, John Son Unmarried
Ireland
BOYES, David Son Unmarried M 6 1845
Ireland
BOYES, Thomas Son Unmarried M 4 1847
Ireland
BOYES, William Son Unmarried M 1 1850
Ireland

GREEN, John Visitor Married M 24 1827 Weaver Cotton
Ireland
GREEN, Catherine Visitor Married F 25 1826 Weaver Cotton
Ireland
GREEN, John Son Unmarried M 6 1845
Manchester
Lancashire
GREEN, Mary Dau Unmarried F 3 1848
Manchester
Lancashire
GREEN, Thomas Son Unmarried M 0 (2M) 1851
Manchester
Lancashire

SMITH, Margret Lodger Unmarried F 24 1827 Charwoman
Ireland
BYRNE, Patt Lodger Unmarried M 36 1815 Iron Maker
Ireland
NEAL, John Lodger Unmarried M 18 1833 Shoe Maker
Ireland
MADDEN, Ann Lodger Unmarried F 50 1801 Servant
Ireland

Registration District:
Chorlton Sub District:
Chorlton-Upon-Medlock Enumeration District:
Ecclesiastical Parish:

Civil Parish:
Manchester Municipal Borough:
Address:
6, Taylors Court, Manchester County:
Lancashire

Possible marriage ???

Groom's Name: John Green
Groom's Birth Date:
Groom's Birthplace:
Groom's Age:
Bride's Name: Catherine Birkett
Bride's Birth Date:
Bride's Birthplace:
Bride's Age:
Marriage Date: 30 Jun 1850
Marriage Place: Lancaster, Lancashire, England
Groom's Father's Name:
Groom's Mother's Name:
Bride's Father's Name: Robert Birkett
Bride's Mother's Name:
Groom's Race:
Groom's Marital Status:
Groom's Previous Wife's Name:
Bride's Race:
Bride's Marital Status:
Bride's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M00590-5
System Origin: England-ODM
Source Film Number: 1526201
Reference Number:
Collection: England Marriages, 1538–1973

That would be after the birth of the first 2 children then Gael?

And on 1871 census they have a "brother"staying with them with the surname Lavin?
As in the marriage that Jan has posted ?

Although even that makes the birth of the first child before the marriage,although as I said earlier I do find the Irish swing wildly on occasion with their birth dates.
Of course so do the others at times,but the Irish seem to do it more so,well thats only my opinion of course...

No where have I been able to find where in Ireland John or Catherine were born ,but their marriage cert for fathers names may help..

Well done for finding them in the 1851 census. Most of the Irish records were destroyed in a fire in Dublin, so the search for their birthplace is somewhat impossible.

Found birthplace of John Green b 1829 Kilgarvan Co Kerry. Married Catherine Barrett 1849 Cork. Finally !

Michaela....Have you got the parents of John Bap. 20 Dec 1829 Kilgarven as Francis Green and Mary Fouloue.
Also Bapt. of John Green to John and Catherine 24 dec 1849.St Peter and Paul Co Cork.

Yes. I'm struggling to find anything about Francis Green. Mary (daughter of John and Catherine) was obvioulsy born in Ireland, but as yet no baptism record.

Michaela...Have some really "old" Co Kerry Records will see if I can find anything relative to John....
What was Mary's approx d.o.b ?

Thats brilliant! I have Mary down as being born 1848, but John and Catherine only married 1849, so I don't know if this is correct. They were in Manchester, England in 1851.

Michaela..I have found the following which may be of value at some later stage ...not exactly what I had planned on finding...!!
Surname spellings are likely to have changed over the Centuries and also they would have been written at the time as understood by those transcribing them.
The Surname may possibly have become Foley/Fowler...more likely Foley...but who knows...!!

John's parents (according to Church Reg.) were Francis Green and Mary "Fouloue"...
I have found the name Foulow listed for the Kieldrum / Kildrum Parish Co Kerry.
Kildrum being a Civil Parish in the Barony of Corkaguiney...its about 3mls from Dingle.

1796... There are 3 Foulow's living in the area...Michael/Darby/Lawrence...
I can find no record of the Surname any later but I have found a Jeremiah Foulow marrying a Hannah Condon at St Leonard's Shoreditch 22 Sept.1794.
Now whether this is family of Mary (Johns Mother) I cant say at the moment but I will continue to search ..unfortunately I havent access to any records which may help find anything from Shoreditch and given the surname may well have been altered it doen't help

Michaela...Have just found a Birth of a Mary Shanihan parents Daniel Shanihan and Johanna Foulow..13 Dec 1865 Co Kerry....
Have just found all the Foulows listed for the Co Cork...Diocese of Cork and Ross...
Wonder if this is Mary..
1791 24 July... Mary Fouloue parents James Forloue and Anne Barry ...Quarry Road.

Hi. I've also found a Mary Fouloue's baptism - 29 Dec 1788, Cork St Peter and Paul. Parents listed are Patr Fouloue and Ellen Sullivan. How do I know which one it is? There are Sullivans listed as sponsors on Greens baptism and marriage certs. It's so confusing!

Hi. Anymore information on the Greens from Kerry? I can't seem to find anything about Francis Green.
Thanks for your help.