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Pypes Hall School, Birmingham -- does it ring a bell with anyone?
Trying to track down my grandfather George Williams, born 1856 who apparently went there at some time in his life. It was a manor house, used as a school for some time after 1850. I know about his life after 1878 when he married, but cannot find anything else other than the school.

Hi Marjorie,Pype Hayes became a children's home at some time belonging to B'ham Social servies.Someone one the Birmingham history forum might be able to shed some light on the school for you.not sure of the web address,but if you type in Birmingham History Forum you should find it.
Barbara

Some mention of Pype Hayes Hall in this link: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=22962

Are you trying to trace where he was other than at the school?

Do you know who his parents were?

Barbara -- thanks for that. I've signed up with the Birmingham History Forum -- if someone there doesn't have an answer I don't know who would! Marjorie

Anne-Marie -- thank you for your reply. The problem with my grandfather is that I have no real information prior to a marriage in 1878 but a note I'd scribbled down from an aunt a few years ago mentioned he was at the school, so I have now signed up with the Birmingham History Forum. Marjorie

Marjorie, have you already asked people to look for your grandfather prior to marriage? If not let us know and we can give it a shot!
Jan

brummiejan -- I just feel gloomy, looking for Williams's. My grandfather, George Frederick Williams married Amy Dixon in Shrewsbury in August 1878. His fathers name was given as John Williams, wine merchant. All census records have him born in Welshpool but his age varies. However I believe the age given on the marriage cert, 22, is most likely to be the correct one, which makes him born circa 1856.
Family legend is scant -- he spoke fluent Welsh, knew Latin and was educated at Pypes Hall School.
Any path you can guide me onto would be much appreciated. Marjorie

Well, this is a 'strange one' !!

I haven't found George before his marriage yet but I have found something 'interesting' afterwards, just in case you do not already have this?

1881 :
WILLIAMS, George F Head Married M 25 1856 General Clerk To Wine & Spirit Merchant Welshpool Montgomeryshire Wales
WILLIAMS, Amy Wife Married F 20 1861 Manchester Lancashire
WILLIAMS, Charles F A Son Single M 1 1880 Welshpool Montgomeryshire Wales
WILLIAMS, Ada M Daughter Single F 0 1881 Welshpool Montgomeryshire Wales

RG number: RG11 Piece: 5494 Folio: 42 Page: 52


Civil Parish:
Middle Pool Municipal Borough:
Address:
2, Back Road, Middle Pool County:
Montgomeryshire
................................

1891 shows him 'married', he has his children with him but is but without his wife!


1891 census also shows:
His wife is in Aston Manor, running a Pub and calling herself a widow !!

WILLIAMS, Amy Head Widow F 30 1861 Licensed Victualler Manchester
CARTWRIGHT, Elizabeth Servant Single F 16 1875 General Domestic Servant Birmingham Warwickshire
DREW, George Visitor Married M 30 1861 Foreman Timber Trade Birmingham Warwickshire

RG number: RG12 Piece: 2431 Folio: 62 Page: 36


Address:
36, Grand Turk, New Street, Aston, Aston Manor County:
Warwickshire
...........................

In 1901, she has her children back with her and the 'visitor' she had at the Pub 10 years earlier is now a 'Boarder'.
Looks like a different sort of relationship to me???


WILLIAMS, Amy Head Widow F 40 1861 Manchester Lancashire
WILLIAMS, Archibald C T Son Single M 21 1880 Merchants Clerk Welshpool Montgomeryshire
WILLIAMS, Ada M Daughter Single F 20 1881 Telephone Operator Welshpool Montgomeryshire
DREW, George B Boarder Married M 40 1861 Foreman Timber Trade Birmingham Warwickshire


RG number: RG13 Piece: 2816 Folio 72 Page:31

Registration District:
Kings Norton Sub District:
Edgbaston Enumeration District:
18 Ecclesiastical Parish:
Edgbaston St James

Civil Parish:
Edgbaston Municipal Borough:
Address:
37, Lee Crescent, Edgbaston County:
Worcestershire

I will go and see what more I can find !!................

Dea x

P.S. - Do we know when George Frederick died please?

Dea x

For completion, who are the witnesses on the marriage cert?
Jan

Dea, can I just check - in 1881 he is with Amy and she is a "widow" 1891? Have you found him 1891?
Jan

Sorry Jan,

Must have got my fingers' in a twist'

I will amend the above but yes - this is him in 1891 , with his children and without his wife:

1891:

WILLIAMS, George F Head Married M 33 1858 Commercial Traveller Wins & Spirit Trade Welshpool Montgomeryshire
WILLIAMS, Archibald Son M 11 1880 Scholar Newtown Montgomeryshire
WILLIAMS, Ada Daughter F 10 1881 Scholar Welshpool Montgomeryshire VIEW

RG number:
RG12 Piece:
2478 Folio:
27 Page:
48

Registration District:
Stratford on Avon Sub District:
Stratford on Avon Enumeration District:
10 Ecclesiastical Parish:
Holy Trinity

Civil Parish:
Old Stratford Municipal Borough:
Stratford on Avon Address:
7, Albany Place, Old Stratford, Stratford On Avon County:
Warwickshire

Dea x

You are all quite brilliant. My poor grandpa, whom I thought to be a wife deserter was clearly himself deserted!
In 1901 George Frederick turns up in Lambeth with a wife called Hilda -- but this name is a mistake. He will live for the next 35 years with my grandmother, Sarah Gittins, who calls herself Sarah Williams (no record of any marriage). In 1901 my father, James Frederick Williams is a babe in arms.
Sarah had given birth to him in Shropshire and then joined grandfather. No idea why the name Hilda was on the census form rather than Sarah.
George Frederick Williams died in Birmingham in 1935.
No-one in his family knew anything about his past other than " he went to Pypes Hall School, he spoke fluent Welsh and knew Latin".
They go on to have five more children, none of whom had any idea their father had been married before or they had two half-siblings.
The witness names on the 1878 wedding certificate were Mary Humpreys and Thomas Evan x his mark.
I do appreciate all of this. Marjorie

Just for info:

1901 England Census

Name: James F Williams
Age: 3/12
Estimated birth year: abt 1900
Relation: Son
Father's name: George F Williams
Mother's name: Hilda Williams
Gender: Male
Where born: Oakengates, Shropshire, England

Civil Parish: Lambeth
Ecclesiastical parish: St James Kennington

Registration district: Lambeth
Sub-registration district: Kennington First

George F Williams 42
Hilda Williams 30
James F Williams 3/12

Can't see them 1911 at all I must say.

Jan

brummiejan -- I had a horrible feeling they might have gone to ground and somehow escaped the 1911 census -- I was hoping for a lot from that.
In the 1901 census it has to be my grandmother, born in 1872 who for some reason gave her name as Hilda -- she did have an illegitimate child about ten years earlier she called Hilda -- maybe she just likes the name!
But how can I find where grandpa came from -- or is he lost to me forever.