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thanks everyone seems a bit of a mystery all round, Kay would he still be on an orphanage record even if he wasnt in one, and thanks for the John tip. Sorry Mike not correct one but Maryb and S.Lass had the right ones. Looking into Willian and Hannah to see if it gives me anything. Thanks all

If the information is from the orphanage records??, regards Williams Hills father then-William Scruton may well be named as the father and could have been made to contribute to his keep there,,,,,,but there was never a marriage between Mary and him...also---**John** is the most given name on marriage certificates for illigitimate children..it looked respectable.

There maybe records for an order against William Scruton,or in the actual admittance orphanage records at RO/Archive Durham. worth checking if possible.

Thanks S.Lass.

No Mike not that census.
1881 William S Hill in Ferry Hill Durham D15>1 down as a orphan with William Robinson age 70 and Hannah aged 65.
1891 Willie s Hill still with William and Hannah,he marries in 1893 !!.

Maryb

1881 .........for reference

Name: William S. Hill
Age: 7
Estimated birth year: abt 1874
Relation: Orphan
Gender: Male
Where born: Ferry Hill, Durham, England

Civil Parish: Ferryhill
County/Island: Durham
Country: England

Street address: Well House
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Scholar

Registration district: Stockton
Sub-registration district: Sedgefield
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
William Robinson 70
Hannah Robinson 65
William S. Hill 7

Is this the census you refer to ?

EDIT - OBVIOUSLY NOT !

1881
Mary HILLS Head W Female 56 Sheffield, York, England Charwoman
Elizabeth HILLS Daur U Female 28 Sheffield, York, England
Charlotte HILLS Daur U Female 20 Sheffield, York, England Scissor Dresser
John HILLS Son U Male 17 Sheffield, York, England
Benjamin HILLS Son Male 14 Sheffield, York, England
William HILLS Grandson Male 8 Sheffield, York, England

Dwelling No 18 Ct 4 Smithfield
Census Place Sheffield, York, England

EDIT - CENSUS REMOVED - WRONG MOTHER.

If William junior was registered as Hill (same as his mother) then it looks like the parents weren't married.

I'am more curious as to where Williams middle name is from.
It usually comes from either parents mothers maiden name.

I have been through the 1871 census for Ferry Hill but no luck.

1871 William Scrutton in Swinefleet near Goole.

Maybe Mary Jane came from elsewhere other than Durham.

William and hannah Robinson are there though.

I'am running out of ideas.

Maryb

Hello Mary, i dont know anything about William Scruton or Mary Jane Hill except what is on William s Hill's birth cert. Am guessing the year of death as 1880 cause in 1881 census William S Hill was an orphan. Any ideas were to look.

Could it be this William Scrutton.

William Jennings Scrutton born howden 1852.
on the census records he was born Cotness yorks and was a shoemaker.
he married in beverley on 1878 to Frances Brighsm she died 1884
He also married in beverley 1885 to Ruth Ianson they had 8 childre by 1901.
He also was in Swinefleet on 1871 census.

No sign of him being married to Mary Jane Hill.
Did she die in 1880 under the name Hill or Scrutton?

Maryb

I dont think there was any siblings.

William Scruton was on the birth cert as the father

Who was William Scrutton?

Maryb

Hello im hitting head brick wall, my greatgrand father's(william sergent hill) bith cert,gives mother Mary Jane Hill well hole cottage ferryhill co.durham. He was born 21 Jan 1874 by the time he was 7 he was an orphan. Father William Scruton occupation groom. Cannot find anything on Mary Jane can anyone help please. On Williams marriage cert it gives his father as John Hill (deceased)