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This annie ellen runcorn cannot trace the birth and have entered the ref 8a 214 can you tell me what area she was born in? As I am told we are totally welsh ancestors? Was she actually married to thomas thomas?
thanks

Just to recap...

Married 1921 aged 29
So born c 1892.

The only entry for 1892

Births Sep 1892 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Thomas Annie Ellen Runcorn 8a 214

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The only other Annie Ellen within a couple of years either side is :

Births Sep 1894
THOMAS Annie Ellen - Neath 11a 7[35]8

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Father named as Thomas Thomas.
Mother possibly Ellen Mary.


So possibly :
Marriages Dec 1892 ------------------------------------------------

Mathias Ellen Mary - Bridgend 11a 1107
Thomas Thomas - Bridgend 11a 1107

Hi,

I have tried to look into the details of Annie Ellen. Is there any other way of verification of these details, which may show my grandmothers mother's name. The family cannot verify any of this information and indicate they cant remember anything about the family. Would there be any election roll etc. during that time. Do you have any other suggestions. Would parish records give me any more information about the mother e. g my grandmothers wedding. Also I have found a child I believe to have been born out of wedlock. This was given to me by another member of the family. How can I determine whether I have the correct person as the mothers name on the record is thomas and the same area. Will births deaths and marriages check the information albeit limited before sending it out to me. This would veryify the mothers name if this is correct. Any ideas for me to work on?

??parents marriage
District Vol Page
Marriages Dec 1892
Mathias Ellen Mary Bridgend 11a 1107
Thomas Thomas Bridgend 11a 1107

Jax you sent me these details
Now I see this?
1901
Name: Ellen Ann Thomas
Age in 1901: 5
Estimated birth year: abt 1896
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: Thomas R Thomas
Mother's name: Ellen Thomas
Gender: Female
Where born: Aushire, Glamorgan

Do you have any info from the 1911 census? thank you

Jax do you feel this census is more likely than the previous indicating Elizabeth A?

They were just thier middle names not thier surnames

jax

Now I see this?
1901
Name: Ellen Ann Thomas
Age in 1901: 5
Estimated birth year: abt 1896
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: Thomas R Thomas
Mother's name: Ellen Thomas
Gender: Female
Where born: Aushire, Glamorgan, Wales

Civil Parish: Dyserth
Ecclesiastical parish: Dyserth St Bridget
Town: Dyserth
County/Island: Flintshire
Country: Wales

Street address: View image
Condition as to marriage: View image
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Occupation: View image

Registration district: St Asaph
Sub-registration district: St Asaph
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 182
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas R Thomas 35
Ellen Thomas 36
Ellen Ann Thomas 5

Brother Arthur James as on 1901 census who is 3 years older

Births Sep 1891 (>99%)
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Thomas Arthur James Neath 11a 770

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Births Dec 1894 (>99%)
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Thomas Ann Neath 11a 805
Thomas Annie Neath 11a 838

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If she was 16 last birthday in 1911 I would think she was born dec 1994

What information has which children with surname Roach?
Thanks

looks like it

Marriages Jun 1888 (>99%)
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.Roach Elizabeth Ann Neath 11a 923
Thomas Thomas Neath 11a 923

Hi Patricia I have the marriage certificate which shows their marriage on 9th May, 1921 11A 279.
William Phillips and Annie Ellen Thomas. Solomnized at the Parish Church, Bedwas, Monmouthshire.

I have just been looking at the information and note that two of the children have the name of roach which I assume must be a surname. Would you assume that was the mothers single name or that the mother had been married before and these two children were by that marriage?
I found it strange that thomas was an insurance agent? when the family tell me he was a miner and annie ellens marriage certificate states miner. If you are sure this is correct I will go with that information but it appears that the family have totally put me on the wrong track. However, I suppose this happens you have to work out the fact from the fiction.
thanks

My grandfathers marriage cert said he was 29 he was actually 32

Also Ruths tree says she was born in 1895?

jax

Ruth says she was born in 1897 (December) and married at age 29, so 1926?

Name: Annie E Thomas
Spouse Surname: Phillips
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1921
Registration district: Newport Market
Registration county (inferred): Glamorgan, Gwent, Monmouthshire
Volume Number: 11a
Page Number: 279
Find Spouse: Find Spouse

William Phillips Thomas Apr-May-Jun 1921 Newport Market Glamorgan, Gwent, Monmouthshire

I see that story is from your tree Ruth so you know all about that and the tree also says her mother was Elizabeth??

jax

1911

THOMAS, Thomas Head Married M 49 1862 Agent Glamorgan Aberavon VIEW
THOMAS, Elizabeth Ann Wife Married
22 years F 41 1870 Pembroke Newport VIEW
THOMAS, Annie Ellen Daughter Single F 16 1895 Glamorgan Port Talbot VIEW
THOMAS, Ida Mildred Roach Daughter F 13 1898 School Pembroke Newport VIEW
THOMAS, Charlotte Fary Daughter F 8 1903 School Glamorgan Port Talbot VIEW
THOMAS, Gwladys Minevia Daughter F 6 1905 School Glamorgan Port Talbot VIEW
THOMAS, Eiluned May Roach Daughter F 2 1909 Glamorgan Port Talbot VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
32600 Reference:
RG14PN32600 RG78PN1862 RD592 SD1 ED7 SN43

Registration District:
Neath Sub District:
Margam Enumeration District:
7 Parish:
Margam

Address:
22 Curwen Terrace Port Talbot County:
Glamorganshire