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Phoebe Maria Cooper was the first wife of Henry Minter.

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about Phoebe Maria Cooper Name: Phoebe Maria Cooper
Spouse Name: Henry Minter fisherman
Spouse Age: Full Age
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 24 Dec 1837
Parish: St Mary at Lambeth
County: Surrey
Borough: Lambeth
Father Name: John Cooper coach painter
Spouse Father Name: William Minter dec shomaker
21 Sanders street
witnesses john cooper andmary dykes

1841 MINTER, Address: George Yard, Lambeth, Lambeth Church First
Henry M 20 Surrey
MINTER, Phoeby F 20 Surrey
MINTER, Phoeby F 0 (6 months) Surrey

1851 England Census
about Phoebe Minter Name: Phoebe Minter
Age: 31
Estimated birth year: abt 1820
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: Henry Minter
Gender: Female
Where born: Suffolk, England
Henry Minter 34
Phoebe Minter 31
Henry Minter 6
Rebecca Minter 4
William Minter 2

Henry remarries later in 1851 and there is no furthur trace of Phoebe or her death.

This appears to be her parents in 1851
1851 census - household transcription
Person: COOPER, Phoebe
Address: 16, Raingate Street, St Mary, Bury St Edmunds
COOPER, John Head Married M 55 1796 Labourer N K
COOPER, Phoebe Wife Married F 55 1796
Chedburgh
Suffolk

FMP
1861 Address: 47, Raingate Street, St Mary, Bury St Edmunds
COPER, John Head Married M 67 1794 Painter United States America
COPER, Phiebe Wife Married F 61 1800 Chedburgh Suffolk

Ancestry
1861 England Census
John Cooper
Age: 67
Estimated birth year: abt 1794
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Phoebe Cooper
Gender: Male
Where born: Marly Town South Carsham, United States
[Marley Town, South Carolina] (correction made)
Town: Bury St Edmunds
Occupation: painter
John Cooper 67
Phoebe Cooper 61

In 1841 I have found as a possible
1841 Address: Gaol And House Of Correction, St Mary, Bury St Edmund
COOPER, John M 45 1796 Suffolk Groom

possible
England & Wales, Criminal Registers, 1791-1892
about John Cooper Name: John Cooper
Age: 45
Estimated birth year: abt 1798
Date of Trial: 26 Jun 1843
Trial Year: 1843
Location of Trial: Suffolk, England
Sentence: Imprisonment
Assault on a police? officer
others on the page charged with riot and affray.


Possible for mother but age a little out.
Parish Records Collection - burial
First name(s): Phoebe Maria
Last name: COOPER
Date of burial: 22 Jun 1870
Age at death: 65
Calculated year of birth: 1805
Place of burial: Bury St Edmunds
Dedication: Cemetery
County: Suffolk
Bury St Edmunds Cemetery:
Denomination: Cemetery
Coverage: 1855 - 1900
Number of entries: 13,454


for geographical reference
CHEDBURGH, a parish in the hundred of Risbridge, in the county of Suffolk, 5 miles S.W. of Bury St. Edmund's.

possible connection note address
1841 census - address transcription
Address: Raingate Street, St Mary, Bury St Edmund
1351 COOPER, Thomas M 62 1779
1351 COOPER, Sarah F 61 1780 Suffolk

a submitted record on IGI
John Cooper Pedigree
Male Family
Birth: 1794 , Laurens, South Carolina
Marriages:
Spouse: Phoebe Family
Marriage: 1817 Chedburgh, Suffolk, England

Fron Choccy with thanks

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mis-transcribed


Deaths Sep 1851 (>99%)
MINTON Phoebe Maria Bury S Eds 13 295

Any thoughts anyone?

Only -- are we cousins, LK???

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.page/board/help_clinic/thread/1249379

Coopers!

;)


Choccy (why is she PMing??) has Phoebe Jr's death.

Can you clarify what you're after? Origins of Phoebe Jr's parents, and/or deaths / census 1841/after 1861?

That "possible connection" in 1841:

Name: Thomas Cooper
Age: 62
Estimated birth year: abt 1779
occupation: laboror
place of birth: not born in county

Name: Sarah Cooper
Age: 61
Estimated birth year: abt 1780
Where born: Suffolk, England

Civil Parish: St Mary
Hundred: Bury St Edmunds
County/Island: Suffolk
Registration district: Bury St Edmunds


Wondered whether "not born in county" might really have meant "foreign parts".


There doesn't seem to be a Ph*e or Ph*y or C*er in St Mary in 1841 to match Phoebe Cooper Sr.

Got 'em!

1841

Name: Pheamey Cooper
Age: 45
Estimated birth year: abt 1796
not born in county
Occupation: laundress

Name: John Cooper
Age: 45
Estimated birth year: abt 1796
Where born: Foreign Parts
Occupation: Coach Painter

Civil Parish: Lambeth
Hundred: Brixton (Eastern Division)
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England
Registration district: Lambeth

John Cooper 45
Pheamey Cooper 45

Thank you JC

Choccy posted on my testing thread yesterday when I had trouble posting.
I have sent it to John Minter of the Minter Exchange and he thinks it looks very promising.

I am looking to find out more on John Cooper ans his origens. !861 on FMP and Ancestry says South Carolina as does IGI.

Looks like the one in Gaol 1841 is not mine then.

Just fyi, I searched in Surrey because that's where Phoebe Jr married and where she was in 1841. The elders seem to have returned to Suffolk after that, from what you have above.

Have you looked at very early US censuses?

1810 shows only heads of household, of course.

In Laurens, SC, there are:

David Cooper Laurens, South Carolina
Freemon [Truman] Cooper Laurens, South Carolina
Jacob Cooper Laurens, South Carolina (with slaves)
Joseph Cooper Laurens, South Carolina
Rosanah Cooper Laurens, South Carolina
Wm Brown Cooper Laurens, South Carolina

In 1800 there are also

Benjamin Cooper Laurens District, South Carolina
Samuel Cooper Laurens District, South Carolina
(plus Jacob and Joseph)

I don't pay to see any other details, so I don't know whether an occupation would be stated. From the sample standard image, it looks like not. (Just thinking that coach painter could be an inherited occupation.)

You know there's one person at GR with a Cooper born in Laurens County? -- John 1859.

You need to put yours in your tree. ;)

1796 and 1859? well I will contact him.
I have looked at the census returns but they do not show occupations. pity.

What is the lilkihood of someone in a rural village of that time even knowing of a town called Laurens in South Carolina?

Will sleep on it now. Back tomorrow night.

I wonder if this is the seniors marriage?

JOHN COOPER Pedigree
Male Family
Marriages:
Spouse: PHOEBE PIPE Family
Marriage: 28 JAN 1805 Wilby, Suffolk, England
Messages:
Form submitted
Batch Number: 8720230
Sheet: 29
Source Call No.: 1396382 Type: Film

And a likely birth to match although submitted.


PHEOBE PIPE Pedigree
Female
Christening: 19 MAY 1793 Brundish, Suffolk, England

Father: JEREMIAH PIPE Family
Mother: LYDIA VINCANT
Messages:
Form submitted Source Information:
Batch Number: 8707532
Sheet: 58
Source Call No.: 1396319

possible sibling

JEREMIAH PIPE Pedigree
Male
Event(s):
Birth: 25 MAR 1799

Christening: 23 JUN 1799 Dennington, Suffolk, England
Parents:
Father: JEREMIAH PIPE Family
Mother: LYDIA WINSON
Messages:
Form submitted
Source Information:
Batch Number: 8705531
Sheet: 35
Source Call No.: 1396311

HARRIOT PIPE Pedigree
Female
Event(s):
Birth: 27 NOV 1788

Christening: 30 NOV 1788 Dennington, Suffolk, England

Parents:
Father: JEREMIAH PIPE Family
Mother: LYDIA WINSON


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Messages:
Form submitted Source Information:
Batch Number: 8812033

ELIZABETH PIPE Pedigree
Female
Event(s):
Birth: 24 MAR 1796

Christening: 17 APR 1796 Dennington, Suffolk, England

Parents:
Father: JEREMIAH PIPE Family
Mother: LYDIA WINSON


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Messages:
Form submitted Batch Number: 8706332
Sheet: 23
Source Call No.: 1396314

WILLIAM PIPE Pedigree
Male
Christening: 30 JAN 1791 Tannington, Suffolk, England

Parents:
Father: JEREMIAH PIPE Family
Mother: LYDIA VINCENT
Messages:
Form submitted Batch Number: 8623031
Sheet: 85
Source Call No.: 1396228

Ah a little more reliable.
JOHN PIPE Pedigree
Male
Christening: 05 MAR 1837 Dennington, Suffolk, England
Parents:
Father: JEREMIAH PIPE Family
Mother: LYDIA VINCENT


C131821

Someone has 1861 as Birth: abt 1794 - Marly Town South Carsham, United States wot???

You quoted this way back at the beginning:

1861 England Census
John Cooper
Age: 67
Estimated birth year: abt 1794
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Phoebe Cooper
Gender: Male
Where born: Marly Town South Carsham, United States
[Marley Town, South Carolina] (correction made)


If you're looking at a tree, somebody has copied the Ancestry mistranscription holus bolus without bothering to read theimage, it looks like.