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Hi thanks for the info. am a little lost how you found all that info, do you put the info in genes or a different site and where would you add it if on genes, sorry to be a bit dense, not quite sure. thanks Jules

Thank you Jules.

This is possibly the 1901 census for the Alice Allen born in Gosberton from the 1911 posted above

1901 England Census
about Alice King Name: Alice King
Age: 18
Estimated birth year: abt 1883
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: Robert King
Mother's name: Mary A King
Gender: Female
Where born: Gosberton Fen, Lincolnshire, England

Civil Parish: Deeping St Nicholas
Ecclesiastical parish: Deeping St Nicholas
County/Island: Lincolnshire
Country: England

Registration district: Spalding
Sub-registration district: Moulton
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 81
Household Members: Name Age
Robert King 49 ...agricultural labourer - born Northants
Mary A King 48 ...born Torrington St John, Norfolk
Alice King 18...born Gosberton Fen, Lincs
Hannah King 12 ...born Deeping St Nicholas, Lincs

Still can't find a marriage for Alice King to Edward Allen though so I can't be 100% sure that this is the correct family for Alice.

Just in case - here is the 1911 for Robert King (possible father to Alice)

KING, Robert Head Widower M 60 1851 Farm Labourer Northants Narboro
DRAGE, Hannah Daughter Married (under 1 year) F 23 1888 Deeping High Bank Lincs
DRAGE, Walter Son In Law Married M 21 1890 Farm Labourer Moulton Marsh Lincs

RG number:
RG14 Piece:
19507 Reference:
RG14PN19507 RG78PN1170 RD413 SD6 ED1 SN80

Registration District:
Spalding Sub District:
Deeping St Nicholas Enumeration District:
1 Parish:
Deeping St Nicholas

Address:
The Hollies Farm Deeping St Nicholas Spalding

So, Edward Leslie Allen isn't with his maternal grandfather in 1911.

Hi there, no I positively have the correct certificates, I lived with my grandfather Edward Leslie until he died in 1980 in birmingham, he has the original small death card with her death 30 august 1915 and interred in hull cemetary on 2nd september 1915, beloved husband of Edward Allen. On the death certificate it states wife, died Hull workhouse infirmary ud aged 31 years, address 3 allinson terrace, walker street, hull ud, died of broncho pneumonia. Edward Leslie birth certificate is born 22 July 1905 3 nix's yard, norton street, spitalgate, grantham, father edward allen, mother alice allen formerly king, profession of father ironfounder's labourer.
I have managed to find that in 1911 census his mother and father were living in gosberton and had had 3 children only 2 alive but were not living with them.

thanks anyway

jules

I have found this 1911 - address 8 Alices Terrace,Norwood St, Hull

ALLEN, Henry William Head Married M 27 1884 Dock Labourer Hull Yorks
ALLEN, Alice Rose Wife Married 4 years F 29 1882 South Lincolnshire VIEW

RG number:
RG14 Piece:
28773 Reference:
RG14PN28773 RG78PN1652 RD522 SD2 ED4 SN237

Registration District:
Hull Sub District:
Myton Enumeration District:
4 Parish:
Holy Trinity and St Mary

Address:
8 Alices Terrace Norwood St Hull

This couple have had four children born alive but all have died by 1911.


So, is this your Alice but the husband's name is given as Henry and not Edward, or do you have the wrong death certificate perhaps?

My instinct is that the 1911 above is for the following marriage

Marriages Dec 1906
******ALLEN Henry William Hull 9d 538
GILES Bristow Lamle Hull 9d 538
Skaith Damaris Hull 9d 538
******Wray Alice Hull 9d 538


The 1911 for Bristow Giles shows his wife as Damaris.


So, the death in 1915 in Hull is more than likely for the Alice Allen (nee Wray) who was married to Henry William Allen. On the death certificate does it say 'wife of' or 'widow of' ???? Allen. Could you possibly post all the details from the certificates you have.

Just for background:
Births Sep 1905
Allen Edward Leslie Grantham 7a 462
Births Dec 1906
Allen Edward Leslie Chesterfield 7b 803

yes occupation was ironfounder's labourer

What was the occupation of Edward Leslie Allen's father on the birth certificate?

I have got birth certificate of grandfather showing alice as King and have got her death certificate as well in county of kingston upon hull

I think you need to get the birth certificate to find Alice's maiden name:
Births Sep 1905
Allen Edward Leslie Grantham 7a 462

Added:
So Alice is King?

No my great grandfather was only edward allen, no middle name and he married alice king

patchem, the details you gave of alice allen in hull 31 died 1915 is correct, sorry hope I am doing this right

yes that is her, details are correct, want to go back and try and find her marriage when and where, but no details whatsoever on my greatgrandfather her husband edward allen

Is this them in 1911,
ALLEN, Edward Head Married M 30 1881 Market Gardener Baumber
ALLEN, Alice Wife Married 8 years 3 children, 2 living F 26 1885 Gosberton Lincolnshire

RG number: RG14 Piece: 19951 Reference: RG14PN19951 RG78PN1197A RD422 SD1 ED6 SN299
Registration District: Grimsby Sub District: Great Grimsby Enumeration District: 6 Parish: Great Grimsby
Address: 28 Osborne Street Grimsby County: Lincolnshire

only Edward Leslie in 1911 but parents are Edward and Ann
ALLEN, Edward Head Married M 47 1864 Malleable Iron Caster Derby Dronfield VIEW
ALLEN, Ann Wife Married
22 years F 45 1866 Yorks Treeton VIEW
ALLEN, George Canson Son Single M 20 1891 Clerk Derby Dronfield VIEW
ALLEN, Alice Ann Daughter F 12 1899 School Derby Dronfield VIEW
ALLEN, Margaret Emma Daughter F 10 1901 School Derby Dronfield VIEW
ALLEN, Edith Annie Daughter F 7 1904 School Derby Dronfield VIEW
ALLEN, Edward Leslie Son M 4 1907 Derby Dronfield VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
21167 Reference:
RG14PN21167 RG78PN1260 RD438 SD5 ED6 SN168

Registration District:
Chesterfield Sub District:
Dronfield Enumeration District:
6 Parish:
Dronfield

Address:
5 Lea Road Dronfield County:
Derbyshire

This death, (so born in 1884):
Deaths Sep 1915
Allen Alice 31 Hull 9d 358
?

very weird, I did manage after some time to find edward l allen on his own, unfortunately I know very little, the other information I have is that when his mother my great grandmother died in 1915 in Hull the address there was 3 allinson terrace, walker st, hull but that prob wont be on there yet.

No Edward Leslie Allen born 1905 Grantham area showing in 1911. Trying other variations.
Do you know if they were in Lincolnshire, or did they move around?
Have you got the marriage for Edward to Alice?
Thanks

trying to find my great grandparents edward allen and his wife alice allen in 1905 gave birth to my grandfather edward leslie allen and address was 3 nixs yard norton street grantham, would apprreciate any help please