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I’m trying to find out any information about the ancestors of = Gerald Walker born Oct, Nov Dec 1921 - , he never married, he had two half sisters called Winifred Murphy born 1925 – 1981 Muriel Murphy born Oct 1930 - 2000.
Gerald’s mother was Winifred Smith born 1894 – 1960 His father could have been a Thomas Walker
Gerald’s Grand mother (on his mother’s side) was Margaret Craggs born Oct, Nov, Dec 1861 - 1938 Newcastle upon Tyne. Gerald’s parents divorced, what happened to his father, did he remarry and have more children. Can anyone help please

is his father named on his birth cert?

is this his birth?cant see another in the qtr you say

Births Dec 1921 (
Walker Gerald ( mmn Bunting) Huddersfield 9a 462


sisters birth
Births Dec 1930
Murphy Muriel Smith Newcastle T. 10b 80

These are the possible parents of the Gerald Walker you found, Penny so he might not be correct if Gerald's mother was Winifred Smith? -

Marriages Sep 1915 (>99%)
**** Bunting Elizabeth Walker Huddersfield 9a 669
Moxon Alice Tyas Huddersfield 9a 669
Tyas William Moxon Huddersfield 9a 669
**** Walker Tom Bunting Huddersfield 9a 669

need to know more about what jennifer knows really

I agree Penny - it is rather confusing???

If Gerald's grandmother on his mother's side was Margaret Craggs this would mean that Winifred was her daughter - how did she come by the surname Smith. Margaret would have to be married to a Smith?

Either that or Winifred Craggs married a smith before marrying a Walker?

Found this in the 1901 census??

CRAGG, Thomas Head Married M 34 1867 Coachman (Domestic)
Lancaster
Lancashire
CRAGG, Margaret Wife Married F 31 1870
Kellit Lancaster
Lancashire
CRAGG, Thomas Son Single M 5 1896
Woolton
Lancashire
CRAGG, Winifred Daughter Single F 7 1894
Woolton
Lancashire
CRAGG, Charles Son Single M 3 1898
Formby
Lancashire
CRAGG, Gladys Daughter Single F 2 1899
Formby
Lancashire
CRAGG, William Son Single M 0 (5 MOS) 1901
Formby
Lancashire
MOLVEY, Mary Servant Single F 17 1884
Widnes
Lancashire
HEALEY, Robert Servant Single M 22 1879 Groom Domestic
Liverpool
Lancashire
STEPHENS, Smith Servant Single M 20 1881 Farm Labourer
Bradford
Yorkshire
RG number:
RG13 Piece:
3532 Folio:
106 Page:
1

Registration District:
Ormskirk Sub District:
Formby Enumeration District:
6 Ecclesiastical Parish:
St Peters

Civil Parish:
Formby Municipal Borough:
Address:
Paradise Lane, Formby County:
Lancashire

Edit - maybe not because Margaret's year of birth differs???

Winifred Smith married June 1925 to David R Murphy in Gateshead. This suggests that she wasn't married to Gerald Walker's father. Ref 10a 1846-jl

Janet,
Gerald's grandmother, Margaret Craggs - do you know if that is her maiden name or married name?

Is she Winifred's mother?

Hi all
I am sending for Gerald Walker's birth cert and his mothers to help clarify things. Will let you know when they arrive.
many thanks
Jennifer

Hi All
I hope this info helps as I have been doing more searching.

Margaret Craggs – I believe this is her maiden name and she married a Smith.
Margaret had at least one child called Winifred Smith born 1894 – 1960. Don’t know if she had more children.

Winifred Smith had three children – Gerald Walker 1921 – 1973 – Winifred Murphy 1925 – 1981 – Muriel Murphy 1930 – 2000.

Family told me that Winifred Smith 1894 – 1960 was possibly married twice and lived with the third man. Anyway it looks like she had three relationships at various times.
Also I believe Muriel Murphy 1930 – 2000 is not a Murphy but was registered as Murphy. Don’t know what her surname should have been.

Mystery of Winifred Murphy 1925 - 1981 she married Ernie Hutchinson and then William Nelson. Had 7 children, 5 children to Ernie and Twins to William, but raised none? It’s possible one or more died at birth, but the last pregnancy in the 1960’s she gave birth to the twins born 4 weeks early. Through out her life she was desperate to have a family.
So where did all these children go?

Marriage info found – not sure if it is correct family
Winifred Smith (Walker) Newark 7b 1007 oct, nov, dec 1926 page 312
Thomas Walker (Smith) Newark 7b 1007 Page 402
Districk Newark-on-Trent


I am wondering if the father of Gerald Walker born Oct, Nov Dec 1921 was also called Gerald. In those days it was common to call the first born son after the father.

Dose this help, have I made thing a little clearer

Kindest regards
Jennifer

Found this marriage? -

Marriages Sep 1877 (>99%)
Cave Thomas Newcastle T. 10b 66
Cragg Margaret Newcastle T. 10b 66
SMITH John Newcastle T 10b 66
Watson Elizabeth Newcastle T. 10b 66

This is the only John and Margaret in the 1881 census with Margaret born 1861 +/-5 years in Newcastle on Tyne -

SMITH, John Head Married M 38 1843 Ironfounders Labourer
Newcastle on Tyne
Northumberland VIEW
SMITH, Margaret Wife Married F 21 1860
Newcastle on Tyne
Northumberland VIEW
SMITH, Thomas Son Single M 2 1879
Newcastle on Tyne
Northumberland VIEW
RG number:
RG11 Piece:
5058 Folio:
13 Page:
20

Registration District:
Newcastle upon Tyne Sub District:
St Andrew Enumeration District:
Ecclesiastical Parish:

Civil Parish:
Newcastle upon Tyne St Andrew Municipal Borough:
Address:
25, Liverpool Court, Newcastle Upon Tyne St Andrew County:
Northumberland

A possible 1871 for Margaret:

CRAGGS, John Head M 43 1828 Canada << Baker
CRAGGS, Annie Wife F 33 1838 Canada
CRAGGS, Margt Daughter F 11 1860 Canada
CRAGGS, Thomas Son M 4 1867 Canada

Registration District: Newcastle upon Tyne Sub District: St Andrew
Enumeration District: 9 Ecclesiastical Parish:

Civil Parish: St Andrew Municipal Borough: Newcastle on Tyne

Address: 34 Liverpool Street, St Andrew, Newcastle On Tyne
County: Northumberland

Do you have her marriage certificate for father's name & occupation?

(I don't know if I believe that birthplace)

Another one for 1861 -

CRAGGS, James Head Married M 27 1834 Baker
Newcastle upon Tyne
CRAGGS, Ann Wife Married F 20 1841
Newcastle upon Tyne
CRAGGS, Margaret Daughter F 0 (5M) 1861
Newcastle upon Tyne
SPENCE, Thomas Boarder Unmarried M 17 1844 Baker
Newcastle upon Tyne
RG number:
RG09 Piece:
3810 Folio:
53 Page:
14

Registration District:
Newcastle-Upon-Tyne Sub District:
1 Westgate Enumeration District:
2 Ecclesiastical Parish:
St Pauls High Elswick

Civil Parish:
Westgate Municipal Borough:
Newcastle upon Tyne Address:
8, Seaham Street, Westgate, Newcastle Upon Tyne County:
Northumberland

Lynne - you're right with the 1861 (I really meant 1871!).

Looks like the same family, don't know where that Canada nonsense came from!

1881 census -

CRAGGS, John Head Married M 52 1829 Baker
Newcastle on Tyne
Northumberland
CRAGGS, Ann Wife Married F 44 1837
Newcastle on Tyne
Northumberland
CRAGGS, Thomas Son Single M 14 1867 Scholar
Newcastle on Tyne
Northumberland
CRAGGS, Mary A Daughter Single F 10 1871 Scholar
Newcastle on Tyne
Northumberland
RG number:
RG11 Piece:
5061 Folio:
68 Page:
16

Registration District:
Newcastle upon Tyne Sub District:
St Nicholas Enumeration District:
Ecclesiastical Parish:

Civil Parish:
Newcastle upon Tyne St John Municipal Borough:
Address:
4, Pearsons Court, Newcastle Upon Tyne St John County:
Northumberland

Hi All
I thank you for your hard work and will take what is there and up-date my records.
Jennifer

Gerald Walker born 21st November 1921 - , he never married,

His birth cert says - Gerald Boy - father: Gerald Walker - mother: Winifred Walker formerly Smith. Therefore his parents were married but II can't find the marriage info?
Thanks
Jennifer

Name: WALKER, Gerald
Registration District: Help Newcastle upon Tyne
County: Northumberland
Year of Registration: 1921
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Mother's Maiden Name: Smith
Volume No: Help 10B
Page No: Help 211

I have looked for marriages in all districts and I cannot find anything for Walker-Smith?

Perhaps they just put Winifred as Walker formerly Smith (to keep up appearances) but were never actually married???