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1861 England Census
Alfred Hordell
Age: 13 Estimated birth year: abt 1848 Relation: Son Father's name: Alfred Hordell Mother's name: Sarah Hordell Gender: Male Where born: Hanley, Staffordshire, England Civil Parish: Shelton Ecclesiastical parish: Shelton Town: Hanley County/Island: Staffordshire Country: England Registration district: Stoke Upon Trent Sub-registration district: Shelton
ED, institution, or vessel: 4 Household schedule number: 246
14 Cannon Street

Alfred Hordell 41 Potter Dipper Stoke on Trent
Sarah Hordell 41 Hanley
Hanlet Hordell 22
Thomas Hordell 17
Alfred Hordell 13
Julia Hordell 8
Emilia Hordell 3

Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 1934; Folio: 102; Page: 45; GSU roll: 542890.


1851 England Census
Afred Hordell
Age: 3 Estimated birth year: abt 1848
Relation: Son Father's name: Alfred Horder Mother's name: Sarah Horder Gender: M (Male) Where born: Hanley, Staffordshire, England
Civil Parish: Stoke Upon Trent Ecclesiastical parish: Wellington Town: Hanley County/Island: Staffordshire Country: England Street address: Old Hall Street Registration district: Stoke Upon Trent Sub-registration district: Hanley ED, institution, or vessel: 1f Household schedule number: 22

Alfred Horder 33 Potter Stoke
Sarah Horder 31 Shelton
Hamlet Horder 12 Shelton
Thomas Hordell 6
Afred Hordell 3

Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 2004; Folio: 135; Page: 7; GSU roll: 87406.

Marriages Sep 1867
Harris James Stoke T. 6b 209
xxx HORDELL Alfred Stoke T. 6b 209
SHAW Eliza Stoke T 6b 209
xxx Winckle Rose Stoke T 6b 209

Births Dec 1868
HORDELL Hamlet Stoke T. 6b 184

Births Sep 1847
HORDELL Alfred Stoke on T 17 142

1891 England Census
Hamlet Hoedall
Age: 22 Estimated birth year: abt 1869 Relation: Head Spouse's name: Harriet Hoedall Gender: Male Where born: Hanley, Staffordshire, England
Civil Parish: Stoke Upon Trent Ecclesiastical parish: Shelton County/Island: Staffordshire Country: England Occupation: Potter's Sanitary Presser Registration district: Stoke Upon Trent Sub-registration district: Shelton
ED, institution, or vessel: 26

Hamlet Hoedall 22
Harriet Hoedall 21
Ada Hoedall 1
Emma Hoedall 17 sister single

Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 2174; Folio 91; Page 38; GSU roll: 6097284.


Marriages Dec 1888
BENTLEY Leah Stoke T. 6b 363
xx CLARKE Harriet Stoke T. 6b 363
xx HORDELL Hamlet Stoke T. 6b 363
Perry Thomas Stoke T 6b 363

Marriages Dec 1899
Clarke Elizabeth Stoke T. 6b 450
xxx Hordell Hamlet Stoke T. 6b 450
xxx Lea Ellen Stoke T 6b 450
Whittaker George Stoke T. 6b 450

1881 England Census
Hamlet Hordell
Age: 12 Estimated birth year: abt 1869 Relation: Son Father's name: Alfred Hordell Mother's name: Rose H. Hordell Gender: Male Where born: Hanley, Staffordshire, England
Civil Parish: Stoke Upon Trent - Shelton County/Island: Staffordshire Country: England Street address: 27 Bethseda St
Occupation: Scholar Registration district: Stoke Upon Trent Sub-registration district: Shelton ED, institution, or vessel: 4a

Alfred Hordell 33 Potters Fireman Hanley
Rose H. Hordell 34 Hanley
Hamlet Hordell 12
Alfred Hordell 9
Emma Hordell 7
Rose Hordell 5
Alice Hordell 2
John T. Hordell

Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 2722; Folio: 115; Page: 27; GSU roll: 1341652.


1871 England Census
Hamlet Horbal
[Hamlet Hordell]
Age: 2 Estimated birth year: abt 1869 Relation: Son Father's name: Alfred Horbal Mother's name: Rosa Horbal Gender: Male Where born: Hanley, Staffordshire, England
Civil Parish: Shelton Ecclesiastical parish: Shelton Town: Hanley County/Island: Staffordshire Country: England Registration district: Stoke Upon Trent Sub-registration district: Shelton ED, institution, or vessel: 5 Household schedule number: 19

Alfred Horbal 23 Potter out of work
Rosa Horbal 24
Hamlet Horbal 2

Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 2863; Folio: 49; Page: 20; GSU roll: 836383.

Births Dec 1892
Hordell Annie Stoke T. 6b 185

1911
SCHILL, Paul Nermann Head Married M 41 1870 Director Of A Firm Of Export Merchants Manchester
SCHILL, Beatrice Wife Married 15 years F 46 1865 Bowdon Cheshire
SCHILL, Blanche Manaih Adopted Daughter Single F 22 1889 British Guiana
SCHILL, Mary Molland Daughter F 10 1901 Withington Manchester
SCHILL, Eleanor Beatrice Daughter F 7 1904 Withington Manchester
SCHILL, Johanna Charlotte Bertha Mother Visitor Widow F 71 1840 Germany
ROHDE, Iveline Visitor Single F 19 1892 Germany
BROWNE, Mary Frances Lady Nurse Domestic Single F 35 1876 Lady Nurse Domestic Northampton
BARLOW, Annie Servant Single F 25 1886 Waitress Domestic Tushingham Cheshire
xxx HORDELL, Annie Servant Single F 18 1893 Kitchenmaid Domestic Handley Staffordshire
GRANT, Annie Servant Single F 26 1885 Housemaid Domestic Manchester
MACDONALD, Anne Servant Widow F 59 1852 Cook Domestic Northwick Cheshire

RG number: RG14 Piece: 23691 Reference: RG14PN23691 RG78PN1377 RD464 SD1 ED34 SN207
Registration District: Chorlton Sub District: Didsbury Enumeration District: 34 Parish: South Manchester
Address: Withington Hall Cotton Lane Withington M/c County: Lancashire

1901 England Census
Annie Hordell
Age: 9 Estimated birth year: abt 1892 Relation: Daughter Father's name: Hamlet Hordell Mother's name: Ellen Hordell Gender: Female Where born: Hanley, Staffordshire, England
Civil Parish: Newcastle Under Lyme Ecclesiastical parish: St George County/Island: Staffordshire country: England
Street address: 10 Barracks Square Registration district: Newcastle under Lyme Sub-registration district: Newcastle Under Lyme ED, institution, or vessel: 4 Household schedule number: 51

Hamlet Hordell 32 Hanley Potless sanitary Presser (??)
Ellen Hordell 27 Newcastle warehousewoman
Ada Hordell 12 Hanley
Annie Hordell 9 Hanley
Ellen Hordell 1 Hanley

Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 2578; Folio: 71; Page: 9.

Me again My Mum is still alive at 92 yrs, but she is very vague with info. She is Annie Oakes now as she married again after my Dad.
Her name was "Annie Hordell Heath", I think the Heath bit may of come from her Mothers married name.

Regards Baz

Sorry, Bit of a "Cock up" there with the info, got carried away with the excitement. As i said a lot of Daniels in the family. My Mum must like that name LOL.
My dad was Daniel Harvey born 1912
His Dad Daniel Harvey born 1871

My Mum Annie Hordel Johnson born 1918 ( Her mum was married to ?) not Mums Dad.
Her Mum gave My Mum to her Dad Daniel Johnson and he and his mother took care of her untill she left school, when her own mother then got back in touch.( she was Annie Hordell born in Hanley in c1892)
Sorry if this sounds confusing, but I've spent near on 60 yrs being confused.

Regards Baz

Even more confused now!!!!

Was your mothers maiden name HEATH???


England & Wales, Marriage Index: 1916-2005
about Daniel Harvey
Name: Daniel Harvey
Spouse Surname: Heath
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1940
Registration district: Newcastle-Under-Lyme
Registration county (inferred): Staffordshire
Volume Number: 6b
Page Number: 165
Find Spouse: Annie H Heath


And your Mums birth??

Surname First name(s) Mother District Vol Page
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Births Jun 1918
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Heath Annie H Hordell Newcastle L. 6b 81


With her parents marriage;

Surname First name(s) Spouse District Vol Page
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Marriages Mar 1915
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Heath Joseph Hordell Wolstanton 6b 154
Hordell Annie Heath Wolstanton 6b 154




Dee x

Baz,

Ok I think I understand; Your mother Annie Johnson (daughter of Daniel Johnson) married Daniel Harvey.

There are a few births for Annie, is her birth year 1919? If so it's in the list;

Surname First name(s) Mother District Vol Page

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Births Mar 1915 (99%)
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Johnson Annie M Allsop Wolstanton 6b 257

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Births Jun 1916 (>99%)
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Johnson Annie Findler Wolstanton 6b 2263

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Births Mar 1917 (>99%)
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Johnson Annie E Keigh Wolstanton 6b 129

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Births Jun 1919 (>99%)
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Johnson Annie Kirkham Wolstanton 6b 105

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Births Mar 1920 (>99%)
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Johnson Annie Hollins Wolstanton 6b 318



Dee x

Hi Patchem,

Baz has thrown me too regarding Daniel Harvey born 1912.

Ooh Baz, come back we is confused. com!!! LOL!!


Dee x

Marriages Dec 1895
xxx Harvey Daniel Wolstanton 6b 179
Humphries David Wolstanton 6b 179
xxx Thomasson Emily Wolstanton 6b 179
Ward Amelia Jane Wolstanton 6b 179

1911
HARVEY, Daniel Father Married 15 years M 40 1871 Hewer Miner Hewer Chesterton Staff North Stafordshire
HARVEY, Emily Mother Married F 37 1874 Chesterton Staff
HARVEY, John Son Single M 13 1898 Pony Driver Pit Chesterton Staff
HARVEY, Joseph Son Single M 11 1900 School Chesterton Staff
HARVEY, Elsie Daughter Single F 10 1901 School Chesterton Staff
HARVEY, Sydney Son Single M 5 1906 School Chesterton Staff

RG number: RG14 Piece: 16448 Reference: RG14PN16448 RG78PN1019 RD360 SD1 ED10 SN214
Registration District: Wolstanton Sub District: Wolstanton Enumeration District: 10 Parish: Chesterton Address: 65 Victoria St Chesterton Staff County: Staffordshire

Your Father?:
Births Jun 1912
Harvey Daniel Thomasson Wolstanton 6b 162

This is from free bmd that anyone can access

http://www.freebmd.org.uk/

If your father was Daniel Harvey, how can his Father be Daniel Johnson?

What further information do you want, and what birth or marriage certificates have you got?
Thanks

Hello Dee, Thanx so much, Did allready have some info.
Daniel son of Daniel and Elizabeth was my mums Dad. She lived with him and his Mum at 10 apedale road chesterton. My Mum did not know of her own mother untill she left school.
your info has given me so much more as i am new to this. A lot of Daniels in the family as my middle name is Daniel and my Dad was Daniel Harvey Born 1912, and his Dad was Daniel Johnson (no birth date) or of his wife name etc and as my mum Annie Harvey is now 92 she cant remember. If you can help me any further I would be very greatfull.
Thanks Barry

1911
JOHNSON, Daniel Head Married 21 years M 46 1865 Coal Carter Chesterton Staff
JOHNSON, Elizabeth Wife Married 21 years F 46 1865 Chesterton Staff
JOHNSON, Daniel Son Single M 19 1892 Coal Miner Loader Chesterton Staff
JOHNSON, Willliam Son Single M 17 1894 Iron Stone Miner Labourer Under Ground Chesterton Staff VIEW
JOHNSON, Edith Daughter F 12 1899 Scholar Chesterton Staff
JOHNSON, John A Son M 10 1901 Scholar Chesterton
JOHNSON, Annie Daughter F 6 1905 Scholar Chesterton

RG number: RG14 Piece: 16449 Reference: RG14PN16449 RG78PN1019 RD360 SD1 ED11 SN6
Registration District: Wolstanton Sub District: Wolstanton Enumeration District: 11 Parish: Chesterton
Address: 10 Apedale Road Chesterton County: Staffordshire

Ooohhh handy:


Groom's Name: Daniel Johnson
Groom's Birth Date: 1864
Groom's Birthplace:
Groom's Age: 22
Bride's Name: Elizabeth Stubbs
Bride's Birth Date: 1864
Bride's Birthplace:
Bride's Age: 22
Marriage Date: 1886
Marriage Place: Chesterton, Stafford, England
Groom's Father's Name: Daniel Johnson
Groom's Mother's Name:
Bride's Father's Name: William Stubbs
Bride's Mother's Name:
Groom's Race:
Groom's Marital Status:
Groom's Previous Wife's Name:
Bride's Race:
Bride's Marital Status:
Bride's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M16625-2
System Origin: England-VR
Source Film Number: 1470941
Reference Number: 2:39KGPRR

1881 England Census
about Daniel Johnson
Name: Daniel Johnson
Age: 17
Estimated birth year: abt 1864
Relation: Son
Father's name: Daniel Johnson
Mother's name: Maria Johnson
Gender: Male
Where born: Chesterton, Staffordshire, England

Civil Parish: Wolstanton - Chesterton
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street address: Kents Buildings
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Iron Miner

Registration district: Wolstanton
Sub-registration district: Wolstanton
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Daniel Johnson 46
Maria Johnson 43
Fanny Johnson 20
Daniel Johnson 17
William Johnson 10
Enock Johnson 8
Sarah Johnson 5
Joseph Johnson



1871 England Census
about Elizabeth Stubbs
Name: Elizabeth Stubbs
Age: 5
Estimated birth year: abt 1866
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: William Stubbs
Mother's name: Eliza Stubbs
Gender: Female
Where born: Chesterton, Staffordshire, England
Civil Parish: Chesterton
Ecclesiastical parish: Chesterton
Town: Chesterton
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Registration district: Wolstanton
Sub-registration district: Wolstanton
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Household schedule number: 74
Household Members: Name Age
William Stubbs 35
Eliza Stubbs 30
George D Stubbs 9
Elizabeth Stubbs 5
Mary J Stubbs 4
William H Stubbs 1
Herbert Stubbs 3 Months


Maybe Daniel and Elizabeth with their parents and siblings???


Dee x

1891 England Census
about Daniel Johnson
Name: Daniel Johnson
Age: 26
Estimated birth year: abt 1865
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Elizabeth Johnson
Gender: Male
Where born: Chesterton, Staffordshire, England

Civil Parish: Wolstanton
Ecclesiastical parish: Chesterton
Town: Chesterton
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Wolstanton
Sub-registration district: Wolstanton
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Daniel Johnson 26
Elizabeth Johnson 26 >> Born Chesterton, Staffordshire
Elizabeth A Johnson 1 10/12
Eliza Johnson 6/12


Most likely their marriage;

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Dec 1886 (>99%)
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>>>>>>>>>JOHNSON Daniel Wolstanton 6b 153
MULLINEX Joseph Wolstanton 6b 153
Smarth Sarah Ellen Wolstanton 6b 153
>>>>>>>>>STUBBS Elizabeth Wolstanton 6b 153

Hi Baz,

very little provided to go on. however this family in 1911 lived at Apedale Road;

1901 England Census
about Daniel Johnson
Name: Daniel Johnson
Age: 9
Estimated birth year: abt 1892
Relation: Son
Father's name: Daniel Johnson
Mother's name: Elizabeth Johnson
Gender: Male
Where born: Chesterton, Staffordshire, England

Civil Parish: Chesterton
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
Town: Chesterton
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Wolstanton
Sub-registration district: Wolstanton
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 152
Household Members: Name Age
Daniel Johnson 36
Elizabeth Johnson 36
Elizabeth Ann Johnson 11
Daniel Johnson 9
William Johnson 7
Edith Johnson 2
John Arthur Johnson 1 Month


What info do you want??


Dee x

Looking for info for the family of Daniel and Elizabeth Johnson who lived in Apedale Road Chesterton Newcstle Staffs around 1890 to 1930.

Regards Baz