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Hi I am trying to find details of my grandfather James Baker, known as Jim. I know he was born in london somewhere and was born in c1912. He died in 1986 in australia at the age of 74. He was married to Lydia Farely in 1936 and they had three children Doreen (my mother - deceased), James (deceased) and Peter - who emigrated to australia (i would like to trace him also).

I know him had at least one brother and they used to play music together.

Thank you
Viv

Do you know his mother's name ?

I have an Australian death cert for one of my ancestors and it names his mother.

Where did your Grandparents marry please? Do you have the marriage certificate as this will give Jim's father's name and occupation?

Could Lydia have been previously married??

England & Wales, Marriage Index: 1916-2005
about Lydia Farley
Name: Lydia Farley
Spouse Surname: Stanton
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1926
Registration district: Fulham
Registration county (inferred): London
Volume Number: 1a
Page Number: 979
Find Spouse: James Stanton



Surname First name(s) Spouse District Vol Page

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Marriages Sep 1936 (>99%)
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Baker James Stanton Brentford 3a 492
Stanton Lydia C Baker Brentford 3a 492




Dee x

First husbands death??

Deaths Mar 1933 (>99%)
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Stanton James 26 Brentford 3a 243


If this looks right to you and you haven't the marriage certificate then like Rootgatherer states the only way to work back is from the marriage certificate.


Dee x

batmans daughter - yes you are correct, have got those details, was not sure how to get jims mothers maiden name - how do i get death certificate - i got details from ryerson index. or should i get copy of marriage certificate, which would give me the most information? as you can tell i am new at this.
Viv x

Hi Viv.

Being that your grandfather died in Australia( 1986 ) his death cert would fall inside Australian privacy laws.( Restricted access ) not available to the general public.

Unrestricted access:
Births: occuring 100 years ago or more
Marriages: occuring 50 years ago or more
Deaths: occuring 30 years ago or more

The only person/s that could purchase his death cert would be his spouse,parents or children ( with proof of identity )

If all of above are deceased, then the direct next of kin ( with proof of identity )


Australian privacy bdm laws differ from those in the UK

Looking at the Ryerson Index.

BAKER James Death notice 15APR1986 Death 74 late of Thirlmere and UK Sydney Morning Herald 16APR1986


Registry of BDM in New South Wales.
http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/familyHistory/familyHistory.htm

Also, given that he was born in England,and my own personal view, would be to obtain his marriage cert ( UK ) as he has no control as to what is written on his death cert......and the information supplied is only as good as to how much the "Informant" knew about the deceased.

Tony ( Australia )

If you get the marriage cert it will give his father's name and occupation. As he was born around 1912 there is a fair chance we can find his father in the 1911 census, hopefully married. I don't see what other options you have really as it's such a common name..
jan

Tony and Jan
Thank you for all your help. I think there might be one child still alive - Peter who lives in Australia but not sure so will apply for a copy of marriage certificate and then look at census.
Thanks
Viv x

Viv, when you get his marriage certificate , come back to this thread with the details if you need any help finding him.

Good luck with your research.

thank you. ordering today. x

Hi everyone
Have received marriage certificate, james baker married lydia stanton in september 1936 in the parish church Chiswick, james bakers dad was james baker an omnibus driver and they lived in Fulham. From this i have looked at 1911 census and think parents might be james baker and annie Flood and my grandad born in 1912 but not sure.
Viv

Guessing this is who you mean - certainly a good possibility:

BAKER, James Thomas Head Married
19 years M 40 1871 Motor Bus Driver Bushfield Reading VIEW
BAKER, Louisa Wife Married F 41 1870 Bicester Oxon VIEW
BAKER, Frederick James Son Single M 18 1893 Chaffeur Borough London VIEW
BAKER, Daisy Louisa Daughter Single F 17 1894 Dressmaker Borough London VIEW
BAKER, Lily Daughter Single F 15 1896 Furrier Barnsbury Islington VIEW
BAKER, Percy William Son M 12 1899 School Barnsbury Islington VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
7052 Reference:
RG14PN7052 RG78PN346B RD129 SD1 ED72 SN286

Registration District:
Willesden Sub District:
Willesden Enumeration District:
72 Parish:
Willesden

Address:
52 Howard Road Cricklewood N W County:
Middlesex

Do the witnesses offer any clues? Also, I wonder if it's worth checking out his address on the marriage cert on the electoral register to see who else is living there (not available online).

Jan

So, you think this is his parents marriage please?

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Dec 1904 (>99%)
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Baker James Fulham 1a 559
Burgess John Harold Fulham 1a 559
Flood Annie Fulham 1a 559
Varo Sarah Fulham 1a 559

His birth?

Births Mar 1912 (>99%)
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Baker James Flood Fulham 1a 551


and a brother?

Births Jun 1916 (>99%)
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Baker Frederick T Flood Fulham 1a 457

I don't have a sub to view the whole family here but I think this may be daddy James Jan. What do you think please?

HOUSEHOLD BAKER JAMES M 1879 32 Fulham London

Marriage for Annie Flood and James Baker;

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about Annie Flood
Name: Annie Flood
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1879
Spouse Name: James Baker >> Horse Keeper
Spouse Age: 26
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 25 Dec 1904
Parish: St Peter, Fulham
County: London
Borough: Hammersmith and Fulham
Father Name: William Flood >> Deceased
Spouse Father Name: John Baker >> Horse Keeper

Address for bride and groom; 147 Estcourt Rd.

Witneeses; Alice Simms and F Flood.


Dee x

1911 as found by Rootgatherer - much more likely than what I found above, I think we might be on the right track here. Thank goodness for that occupation!:

BAKER, James Head Married M 32 1879 Motor Bus Driver County of Middlesex VIEW
BAKER, Annie Wife Married
6 years F 31 1880 County Battersea VIEW
BAKER, John Son M 2 1909 County Fulham VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
278 Reference:
RG14PN278 RG78PN9 RD3 SD3 ED12 SN386

Registration District:
Fulham Sub District:
North West Fulham Enumeration District:
12 Parish:
Fulham

Address:
27 Strode Road Fulham S W County:
London

Thanks Jan, that looks quite hopeful. The age that James Junior was when he died tied in with the birth register in the March quarter 1912.

1901 - Annie lodging with Alice Simms' family.

Name: Annie Flood
Age: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Female
Where born: Battersea, London, England

Civil parish: Fulham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Fulham
Sub-registration district: North West Fulham
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 84
Household Members: Name Age
Eliza Simms 46
Charlotte Bussicott 25
Alice Simms 19
Frederick Simms 15
George Simms 13
Annie Flood 21
Rosina Bussicott 7 Months

1891

Name: Annie Flood
Age: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880
Relation: Daughter
Mother's Name: Rebecca Flood
Gender: Female
Where born: Battersea, London, England

Civil parish: Battersea
Ecclesiastical parish: St Saviour
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Wandsworth
Sub-registration district: East Battersea
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Rebecca Flood 39
Arthur Flood 13
Annie Flood 11
Rose Flood 4
Helen Lange 28


1881

Name: Henry Willm. Flood
Age: 28
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1853
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Rebecca Flood
Gender: Male
Where born: Westminster, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: Battersea
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address: 41 Culvert Rd
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Shoemaker

Registration district: Wandsworth
Sub-registration district: Battersea
ED, institution, or vessel: 48b
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Henry Willm. Flood 28
Rebecca Flood 28
Henry Flood 7
Frederick Flood 6
Arthur Flood 4
Ann Flood 1

Maybe James prior to marriage???

1901 England Census
about James Baker
Name: James Baker
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1879
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Male
Where born: Brixton, Surrey, England

Civil parish: Lambeth
Ecclesiastical parish: St Catherine
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation: Cab Horse Keeper

Condition as to marriage: Single

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Lambeth
Sub-registration district: Brixton
ED, institution, or vessel: 56
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 32
Household Members: Name Age
George Milburn 34
Louisa Milburn 31
George Milburn 12
Louisa Milburn 8
Hannah Wakeling 69
James Baker 22
Marie Wybrow 19
Alice Wybrow 15



Maybe him with his parents and siblings??

1891 England Census
about James Baker
Name: James Baker
Age: 13
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1878
Relation: Son
Father's Name: John Baker
Mother's Name: Martha Baker
Gender: Male
Where born: Paddington, London, England

Civil parish: Battersea
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Wandsworth
Sub-registration district: West Battersea
ED, institution, or vessel: 28
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
John Baker 41 >>> ????? Driver (faintly written GROOM)
Martha Baker 40
John Baker 18
James Baker 13
Henry Baker 11
William Baker 9
Maud Baker 7
Thomas Baker 5
Emily Baker 4
Mary Baker 3
George Baker 1


And then;

1881 England Census
about James C. Baker
Name: James C. Baker
Age: 33
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1848
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Martha Baker
Gender: Male
Where born: Norwich, Norfolk, England

Civil parish: Fulham
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address: 5 William St
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Groom

Registration district: Fulham
Sub-registration district: Fulham
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
James C. Baker 33
Martha Baker 32
John W. Baker 7
Florence H. Baker 4
James Baker 3
Henry W. Baker 1


And the family in 1901;

1901 England Census
about Charles Baker
Name: Charles Baker
Age: 51
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Martha Baker
Gender: Male
Where born: Marylebone, London, England

Civil parish: Fulham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation: Horse Keeper & Groom

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Fulham
Sub-registration district: North West Fulham
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 102
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Baker 51
Martha Baker 51
Maria Baker 18
Emily Baker 15
George Baker 12
May Baker 10
Charles Baker 9
Rachel Baker 7


Martha (mother) is consistent that she was born in Somerset, but the father can't decide what his name is!!!


Dee x