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Is it possible for a person to change there name on the electoral register from one register to the next?
Alfred Elijah Leonard Hill was resident, and therefore of voting age, at 223 Camden Street in Birmingham in 1930, and again this time with wife Edith in 1935 & 1939. However come 1945 there is one person registered there simple by the name of Leonard Hill. I ask this because on the birth certificate of a daughter from 1934 the fathers name appears as Alfred Leonard, thus dropping the Elijah for some reason.
Could the 1945 Leonard Hill be same one as in earlier years? Can the names change or would this have to be a different person?

Regards

Rhys

When you filled in the electoral register did you have to provide any evidence of who you were?
No.
Therefore people can change what information they provide.

Check to see whether Edith died between 1939 and 1945

The man could actually record whatever name he chose on the ER....as long as he wasn't intending to defraud or deceive...........

As for the birth cert...perhaps he (or his wife) didn't like the name Elijah. Who registered the birth?

My great-grandfather never used his first name, including when he married, so it doesn't signify anything.
Have you used the MidlandsHistoricaldata site? You can search electoral register for Birmingham by name as well as address. You have to pay but I understand it's a very small amount so might be worth a look.
Jan

do you have his birth and death for his name ?

he isn't this one

Births Dec 1914
HILL Alfred E L Payne Pancras 1b 42

because that is probably this person

Name: Alfred Edward L Hill
Birth Date: 14 Oct 1914
Death Registration Month/Year: 1970
Registration district: St Albans
Inferred County: Hertfordshire
Volume: 4b
Page: 635


I can't find a birth for an Alfred Elijah Hill or another Alfred E L Hill 1911-1919

I might have guessed his father was an Alfred so he was called by a middle name and Elijah wasn't the name of choice, lol

or father was Leonard, it was really his first name and he went by middle name Alfred


how about this one?

Name: Alfred Leonard E Hill
Year of Registration: 1890
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Birmingham (1837-1924)
County: Warwickshire
Volume: 6d
Page: 218

chrissiex> I assumed that wasn't the one as he wouldn't have been of voting age in 1930 when we first come across him, he must be over 21 then, so a birth would have to be before 1910. I did find a death I think in 1950 in York, but that Alfred E L Hill was 80 IIRC, and I wasn't sure about that one.

brummiejan> I've used that site, its where I got the information from originally, its good value though, pennies for each page.

Flick> I have checked regarding Edith dying and I have found a few options and am working on them currently. I would also like to find a marriage between them and even with her maiden name of Smith I am struggling to find one.

Thanks all

Rhys

I think I was editing as you posted ... how about that one in 1890? Right place and only the birth cert would give the full given names


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only option for that one in 1911

HILL ALFRED 1891 20 Birmingham Warwickshire

but I think one would need someone with a full subscription to see who else is in the household

Could be chrissie, though the Leonard and Elijah are the wrong way around, compared to what I have, but given what I've come across nothing suprises me. A marriage certificate would be also brilliant to confirm the two of them.

Rhys

Might this be related at all do you think ?

Name: Alfred L E Hill
Spouse Surname: Beecham - Ellen
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1959
Registration district: Birmingham
Registration county (inferred): Warwickshire
Volume Number: 9c
Page Number: 1196

No births to that couple that I can see ... could have been a late in life marriage ...

( I know it's too recent to put here ordinarily as the people may be living ... but there's no birth for an Alfred L E Hill after 1916 to account for that groom ... )


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if a late in life marriage this could be Ellen previously married

Name: Ellen Burke
Spouse Surname: Beecham - Leslie
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1929
Registration district: Coventry
Registration county (inferred): Warwickshire
Volume Number: 6d
Page Number: 1124


no, ruling that Ellen out, will leave it here for that

Name: Ellen Beecham
Birth Date: 5 Nov 1907
Death Registration Month/Year: 1974
Registration district: Coventry
Inferred County: Warwickshire, West Midlands
Volume: 33
Page: 0155

Name: Leslie Beecham
Birth Date: 24 Dec 1902
Death Registration Month/Year: 1970
Registration district: Coventry
Inferred County: Warwickshire
Volume: 9c
Page: 1711

Have you checked electoral register after 1945?

According to a birth certificate of a Sylvia Hill, at the same address in 1934 her parents were Alfred Leonard Hill and Edith Hill nee Smith. But would the nee be her birth name or as you suggested a previous married name, or were there no set rules and it could be either.

brummiejan> I have and it is Leonard Hill but no others of voting age. In 1939 a different Sylvia Hill appears there, and it states she is not married but no idea on how she is related to all this.

Rhys

I think I would get that 1890 birth certificate, it really seems to be the only person who could be him and it would give info that could then identify him further, find siblings in censuses for instance, all of that could help eventually

I can't find a death that fits but searching before 1970 at Ancestry is difficult because it won't accept the year of birth as a search criterion for an exact search ........

Nee means maiden name - previous married name would be put as "formerly". But of course they might not have married at all!
jan

As far as I know, the word 'nee' does not normally appear on a child's birth cert...........it would be considered too specific.

Rhys

Can you say what prompted this quest?

Is Sylvia B Hill (1934) related to you?

What was Alfred's occupation? (On the birth cert)

1911 census as per earlier post

Person: HILL, Alfred
Address: 1 Bk 13 Leach St Birmingham

Cost:
You will be charged 10 credits for a transcript and 30 credits for an image, unless you have purchased a subscription for this set of records.



HILL, William Head Married
27 years M 44 1867 Cupalo Man Birmingham VIEW
HILL, Betsy Wife Married F 46 1865 Birmingham VIEW
HILL, George Son Single M 22 1889 Labourer Birmingham VIEW
HILL, Alfred Son Single M 20 1891 Tube Drawer Birmingham VIEW
HILL, Walter Son Single M 17 1894 Polisher Brass Birmingham VIEW
HILL, Edith Daughter Single F 14 1897 Stair Rod Worker Birmingham VIEW
HILL, Charles Son Single M 11 1900 Birmingham VIEW
HILL, Rose Daughter Single F 6 1905 Birmingham VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
18022 Reference:
RG14PN18022 RG78PN1095 RD384 SD1 ED34 SN209

Registration District:
Birmingham Sub District:
Ladywood Enumeration District:
34 Parish:
Birmingham

Flick> It is regarding Sylvia B Hill (1934) My friends mum was Sylvia Hill but had the middle name Elizabeth on her marriage certificate and death certificate. We are not sure if Sylvia Betty Hill is the same as Sylvia Elizabeth Hill, as Betty is a derivation of Elizabeth is it not.

On Sylvia B's birth certificate Alfred Leonard Hill is a labourer at the Corporation Gas works, and on Sylvia E's marriage certificate Leonard Hill is a retired gas fitter.

I would guess that Sylvia Betty either thought the Betty really meant Elizabeth ... and had no family around to clarify ... or thought Betty was a little common and opted for Elizabeth instead.

your friend's mum is deceased presumably ?

does the actual date of birth on the birth certificate match your friend's mum's birthday ?

when did Sylvia E marry ?

edit ... 1957 ?

I'm thinking that if she was in her 20s she was a little young for her father to be retired unless he was an older person when she was born ... which would fit with the Alfred Leonard E Hill birth in 1890 ...

do you know that he was living when Sylvia married ? could he have been a deceased retired gas fitter ?

this death would be close to an 1890 birth ...

Name: Alfred E Hill
Death Registration Month/Year: 1954
Age at death (estimated): 62
Registration district: Birmingham
Inferred County: Warwickshire
Volume: 9c
Page: 26

as would this later one

Name: Leonard E Hill
Death Registration Month/Year: 1967
Age at death (estimated): 77
Registration district: Birmingham
Inferred County: Warwickshire
Volume: 9c
Page: 651

Betty is certainly a diminutive for Elizabeth.

Not sure it would ever work in reverse

When/where did Sylvia marry? How old was she on her wedding day?

Does the birth cert match exactly the DOB as per the death cert? (Assuming the death was after1970)