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Rootgatherer. thankyou for all your help, dont know what became of Samuel messenger, I had him down on the 1881 census as being 18
very strange. also how can I find out if Margaret was already married when she sailed to America. with baby J.McKay and to who.

Jean

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1340382

Jean, You would be better to start your own thread as this one is quite old and helpers may not read as far down as your addition to the thread.


Some dates for John McKay would also help.

As for Margaret, which one of these is yours?

Deaths Mar 1888 MESSENGER Margaret 75 Wigton 10b 336

Deaths Sep 1888 MESSENGER Margaret 39 Wigan 8c 17


I see it is probably the second one.

1881

Name: Margaret Messenger
Age: 32
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1849
Relationship to Head: Wife
Spouse: John Messenger
Gender: Female
Where born: Scotland

Civil Parish: Warrington
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address: 41 Lord Nelson St
Marital Status: Married
Education:

Employment status:

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Registration District: Warrington
Sub-registration District: Warrington
ED, institution, or vessel: 17
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3794
Folio: 118
Page Number: 29
Household Members:
Name Age
John Messenger 43 Stone Mason
Margaret Messenger 32
Samuel Messenger 8 b. America
Ann Messenger 6
William Messenger 5 months

Trying to find information regarding the late John Mckay from Warrington. Cheshire. married to Elizabeth. John was a baker by trade and was born in Scotland, Maybe in Motherwell , not sure on this point. However I am trying to find relatives of my great Grandmother, Margaret Messenger, who died in 1888 and is buried in Warrington cemetry. as far as I know , John had a son called Edward McKay. If anyone can help with this enquiry, it would be very much appreciated.

regards J. McKee

1871 - Children all born Glasgow

Name: Elizabeth Molloy
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861
Relationship: Daughter
Father's Name: David Molloy
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Molloy
Gender: Female
Where born: Glasgow, Lanarkshire
Registration Number: 644/10
Registration district: Hutchesontown
Civil parish: Glasgow Govan
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 72 Rose Street
Occupation: Scholar
ED: 55
Household schedule number: 71
Line: 23
Roll: CSSCT1871_141
Household Members: Name Age
Elizabeth Armstrong 66 b. Ireland, Froesser Maker
David Molloy 38 Son-in-law, b. Glasgow, Tailor
Elizabeth Molloy 37 Daughter, b. Ireland
Elizabeth Molloy 10
Wm Molloy 6
Sarah Molloy 4
David Molloy 9 MO

1861 - David was consistant about his birthplace being Islay.

Name: David Hunter
Age: 3
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1858
Relationship: Son
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Hunter
Gender: Male
Where born: Islay, Argyllshire
Registration Number: 644/10
Registration district: Hutchesontown
Civil parish: Glasgow Govan
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 16 Adelphie St
ED: 50
Household schedule number: 56
Line: 9
Roll: CSSCT1861_112
Household Members: Name Age
Elizabeth Hunter 28 b. Islay, Argyllshire
David Hunter 3
John Campbell 20

1901- apart from father David all born Glasgow.

Name: David Hunter
Age: 41
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Hunter
Gender: Male
Where born: Port Ellen, Argyleshire
Registration Number: 644/12
Registration district: Gorbals
Civil parish: Glasgow Govan
Town: Glasgow
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 5 Thistle St
Occupation: Hammerman
ED: 33
Household schedule number: 44
Line: 20
Roll: CSSCT1901_315
Household Members: Name Age
David Hunter 41
Mrs Hunter 40
David Hunter 20
Robert Hunter 18
Lizzie Hunter 16
John Hunter 15
Sarah Hunter 13
Margaret Hunter 10
Donald Hunter 36

1891 - The Buchanan family are Boarders

Name: Sarah Hunter
Age: 3
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1888
Relationship: Daur (Daughter)
Father's Name: David Hunter
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Hunter
Gender: Female
Where born: Glasgow, Lanarkshire
Registration Number: 644/12
Registration district: Gorbals
Civil parish: Glasgow Govan
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 5 Thistle St
ED: 60
Household schedule number: 72
Line: 15
Roll: CSSCT1891_292
Household Members: Name Age
David Hunter 33
Elizabeth Hunter 30
David Hunter 10
Robert Hunter 8
Sarah Hunter 3
Maggie Hunter 6 MO
John Buchanan 38
Mary Buchanan 30
Lizzie Buchanan 1
John Buchanan 11

You can view / download Alexander and Sarah's marriage certificate from Scotlandspeople.

1920 MCKAY ALEXANDER HUNTER SARAH CALTON (GLASGOW) GLASGOW CITY/LANARK 644/03 1247

Credits cost £6 for 30. So for a cost of £1.20 can can see the register entry. I have used some credits to give you an example of the detail available on Scottish Marriage entries.

On the Nineteenth November 1920 at 90 Great Hamilton Street, Glasgow by declaration in presence of Alexander McIntyre, Ironmoulder and Mary Donald or McIntyre. Alex'r McKay, aged 27 years Labourer a Bachelor of 43 Lanark Street, Glasgow. His father David McKay, a Slater (retired) and his mother Margaret McKay maiden surname Donlad were both still alive.Sarah Hunter, aged 32 years no occupation given and a Spinster of 150 Waddell Street, Glasgow. Her father David Hunter a Hammerman was still alive and her mother Elizabeth Hunter maiden surname Milloy was deceased. They were married by Warrant of Sheriff Substitute of Lanarkshire dated 19 November 1920. The marriage was registeed on 19th November 1920 at Glasgow by James Moore, Registrar.

Using the above information you can now look on Scotlandspeople for their births. The birth entries will give you the date and place of the parents marriage. You can then look for those marriages and work backwards from there. Statutory registration began in Scotland in 1855. It is worth noting that Scottish death certificates give the names of both parents including the mother's maiden surname - if the informant knew the details.

jacqueline ..i my self was born and dragged up in birkenhead

Just a caution, Jacqueline.

The info Eveie posted comes from a family tree at Ancestry, from what I can tell.

It may be well researched and documented. It may also be complete bumph.

You'd need to look at the tree there yourself to see what records the person has to support that information.

With the name Hunter for his mother and in his brother's name, it looks likely, but you never know. It really is much better to get your father's birth certificate for yourself and get all the info on it firsthand.

Surely with such detailed information about your father, the owner of that tree must be somebody known to you?

Nice if you acknowledge Potty's advice, too ....

evvie,thank you so much for all your help looking this info up for me ,it means so much to me.i can now be able to do my family tree on my fathers side,and also is invaluable to my family.i was beginning to lose interes in a wonderful hobby and pastime keep in touch,thanks once again

There are two births coming up for John Alexander McKay in 1921. It is too recent to view - you would need to buy the cert. Info on how to do so is on the site.

Jacqueline, you will need scotlandspeople if you want to go back any further.

It is a pay to view site (although free to search). You buy credits. You can view and download original images of BMDs - except more recent ones (and baptisms and marriages when you get back before 1855 when civil registration started.)

Scottish records give more info than English ones - death records give parents' names; marriage records give both parents' names; birth records give parents' names and place and date of marriage.

Sarah Hunter

Birth 1885
Carluke,
Lanarkshire
Death
.Parents & Siblings
George Hunter (1861-)
Annie Davidson (1863-)
Spouse & Children .
Timeline 1885
Birth
Carluke,
Lanarkshire
.Family Members Parents
George Hunter 1861 –
Annie Davidson 1863 – .Show siblings Hide

John McKay off tree on ancestry
Birth 14/10/1921
Glasgow,
Scotland,
United Kingdom
Death july1996
ford estate,
birkenhead,
cheshire
,england
.Parents & Siblings
alexander mckay (1885-)
sarah mckay hunter (1886-)
Spouse & Children
winifred mckay foulkes (1924-1998)
Living McKay (-)
Living McKay (-)
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Living McKay (-).
Timeline( View details ) 1921
14 OctBirth
Glasgow, Scotland, United Kingdom
1947
AprAge: 25 Marriage
Birkenhead,
Cheshire
England & Wales, Marriage Index: 1916-2005 1996
Jul Age: 74 Death
ford estate
,birkenhead
,cheshire,england
.

trying to find my grandfather&grandmother,my fathers name was john alexander mckay,born glasgow lanarkshire scotland 14 october 1921 died july 1996 in birkenhead his fathers name was alexander,don,t know if he had middle name presumebly from glasgow also married sarah hunter ,he had one brother robert hunter mckay born 1925 give or take a year died birkenhead 2000,can anyone lookup or help me in any way as scotish records are different to ours and so confusing to me,thanks once again