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2 Jul 2011 11:40 |
Thanks again Maureen, hope it is not her mother, as I have her as Elizabeth!!
Joy
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2 Jul 2011 11:22 |
Hi Joy,
No it doesn't say anything about Ann other than she was a widow and born in Wakefield.
Maureen
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2 Jul 2011 10:42 |
Thanks Maureen, noticed Henrietta but did not think it was the same person, as I did not have 1871 Census!!
Does it say who Ann Allen is to the family?
Thanks, Joy
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2 Jul 2011 10:31 |
1871 England Census about George W Marsden Name: George W Marsden Age: 32 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1839 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Annette C Marsden Gender: Male Where born: Wakefield, Yorkshire, England Civil parish: Wakefield Ecclesiastical parish: St John Town: Wakefield County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Registration district: Wakefield Sub-registration district: Wakefield ED, institution, or vessel: 2 Household schedule number: 201 Piece: 4623 Folio: 54 Page Number: 37 George W Marsden 32 Annette C Marsden 30 Laura E Marsden 8 Philip S Marsden 6 Marmaduke Marsden 5 George Marsden 4 William Marsden 3 Annette L Marsden 1 Ann Chapman 20 Maria Laxton 17 Ann Allen 72
Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 4623; Folio: 54; Page: 37; ................... 1881 census transcription details for: Northgate, Wakefield
RG number: RG11 Piece: 4576 Folio: 64 Page: 52 Reg. District: Wakefield Sub District: Wakefield Parish: Wakefield Enum. District: Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough: Address: Northgate, Wakefield County: Yorkshire (West riding)
MARSDEN, George W Head Married M 42 1839 Solicitor Wakefield Yorkshire MARSDEN, Henrietta C Wife Married F 42 1839 York Yorkshire MARSDEN, Philip S Son Single M 16 1865 Solrs Clerk (Articled) Wakefield Yorkshire MARSDEN, Marmaduke Son Single M 15 1866 Scholar Wakefield Yorkshire MARSDEN, George W Son Single M 14 1867 Scholar Wakefield Yorkshire MARSDEN, William A Son Single M 13 1868 Scholar Wakefield Yorkshire MARSDEN, Annette L Daughter Single F 11 1870 Scholar Wakefield Yorkshire TAYLOR, Clara Servant Married F 19 1862 Domestic Servt Lee Moor WD Yorkshire
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2 Jul 2011 09:01 |
Hi all,
I am trying to find George William Marsden - not sure where & when he was born and his wife Annette Charlotte nee Allen b 1836 in York, Annette died June 1889 Wakefield. They married in 1861.
I cannot find them on the 1881 Census, could someone please check the 1871 Census & see if they are on there?
Thanks, Joy
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6 Mar 2011 20:25 |
I think the chance of there being two Mary Harriet C Allens, one by birth and one by marriage, is rather remote, really.
Son Frank raymond Allen born Ceylon 1910. -- one of the executors named in the newspaper listing about the estate.
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ALLEN FREDERICK CHARLES 1865 46 Kensington London ALLEN MARY HARRIET CORRIE 1875 36 >> wife ALLEN VIOLET PARKINSON 1904 7 ALLEN FRANK RAYMOND 1910 1
But I could be wrong! ;)
Aren't you doing any searching, Mel??
Marriages Dec 1902 Allen Frederick Charles Winchester 2c 261 Nash Mary Harriet C Winchester 2c 261
Quite the concidence! (The Mary Harriet C Allen was born in Derbyshire, too, which doesn't fit, I think.)
One other likely birth to the marriage:
Births Jun 1912 Allen John P Nash Chelsea 1a 718
I think Mary Harriet Corrie Nash Allen may have been a Nash by marriage, and was possibly this MHC:
Births Dec > 1874 Parker Mary Harriet C > Winchester 2c 111
... although I don't see a marriage to fit -- but there also is no MHC Nash birth.
MHC may have been a dame by birth?
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MeJoy75
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6 Mar 2011 12:17 |
Frederick left estate in New South Wales of £34,400, can you check to see what was the total? I think someone gave me what his cousins, would be worth today, from memory about £46,000,000!!
I am off to bed, nearly 11.30, thanks for all your help,
Joy
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6 Mar 2011 11:51 |
Thank you, Frank also became Sir, I wonder what he did!!
Joy
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6 Mar 2011 11:45 |
1911 they had, Violet Parkinson Allen born Ceylon 1904 Frank raymond Allen born Ceylon 1910.
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6 Mar 2011 11:36 |
Mary,
I think you might be right, in the newspaper article on previous page there is a Dame Mary Harriet Corrie, who I thought was Fredericks wife, I believe that they had a son, not sure if any other children.
At the bottom of his will it is written - 'The testator expressed the earnest wish that his son should not rely only upon the income he would derive from the estate, but that he would order his life in such manner as would make him a useful member of the community in whatever part of the world he might make his home.'
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6 Mar 2011 11:12 |
Do we have 2 Mary Harriet C Allens,one the wife of Frederick Charles Allen born Fair Oaks Hants 1875
One a sister born Derby 1875.
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6 Mar 2011 01:11 |
Thanks for your replies. It is strange that Mary Harriet is not on the 1881 or 1891 Census with her mother & siblings, can anyone see her for me.
Just a query, why would they become Dame, Sir and Baronet?
Maryb, I have done Hannah's family, her brother was also very well off Managing Director of Alexander Docks, Newport, Monmouth
Joy
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5 Mar 2011 19:47 |
I'm not sure that any of those Allens lived or died in Australia though -- the notice of the probate was published in Australia, but the probate was granted in England. Notice was probably published there because the deceased owned property or did business in Australia.
Name: Frederick C Allen Death Registration Month/Year: 1934 Age at death (estimated): 70 Registration district: Kensington Inferred County: London Volume: 1a Page: 122
These deaths could match
Name: Harry M Allen Death Registration Month/Year: 1943 Age at death (estimated): 76 = dob c1867 Registration district: Croydon Inferred County: Surrey Volume: 2a Page: 727
Name: Ada P Allen Death Registration Month/Year: 1961 Age at death (estimated): 94 = cob c1867 Registration district: Cheltenham Inferred County: Gloucestershire Volume: 9b Page: 320
-- the bio details on page 1 say 1937, but I don't see a death that year
and also in the list of executors
Name: Mary H C Allen Death Registration Month/Year: 1956 Age at death (estimated): 81 Registration district: Maidenhead Inferred County: Berkshire Volume: 6a Page: 14
birth (so - sister): Name: Mary Harriet C Allen Year of Registration: 1875 Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep District: Derby County: Derbyshire Volume: 7b Page: 464
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5 Mar 2011 12:55 |
It seems Charles was Charles N Allen not Jake.
Charles Noke Allen baptised St Olaves York 19/10/1837 by William and Elizabeth
1841 He is Charles N Allen. 1851 Charles N Allen son of William Allen 1803 Teacher of Dance. William and Elizabeth also had William MILWARD Allen 1844.
In 1871/81 she is down as married. 1891 widow!!
On the IGI there is a Charles N Allen born York 1837 died in USA 1903 he was a Violinist.Could this be the same man??
Hannah must have been comfortably of in her own rights to bring up and educate her 3 children on her own.
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5 Mar 2011 11:09 |
Are you interested in Harry's mum Hannah nee Parkinson?
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MeJoy75
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5 Mar 2011 04:19 |
It looks like his brother Sir Frederick Charles Allen was Managing Director with British India Steamship and was a Deputy Chairman of P and O!!
He was created a Baronet in 1933.
Is there any way I can find out when he went to India?
I have not been able to find a death of his father Charles Jake Allen, he was not listed as living with the family on the 1871 or 1881 Census, but his wife is a widow on the 1891 Census.
Thanks, Joy
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MeJoy75
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5 Mar 2011 01:22 |
Fancy find him living and dying here in Australia. There are a number of articles, so will go through them all.
On the Will details given by Janey, I assume the Dame Mary Harriet Allen is Fredericks wife.
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5 Mar 2011 01:16 |
Sorry, didn't get back earlier, lost power, so annoying!!
Wow Janey,
Thank you, Sir Frederick Charles is, I believe Harry's brother. Will have a look at article, thanks again,
Joy
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4 Mar 2011 23:38 |
Wonder if Noke should be Jake ?
Marriages Jun 1863 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ALLEN Charles Jake - Scarbro 9d 469 PARKINSON Hannah - Scarbro 9d 469
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4 Mar 2011 23:35 |
Name: Averil Ada Allen Birth Date: 13 Sep 1897 Death Registration Month/Year: Jul 1988 Age at death (estimated): 90 Registration district: Cheltenham Inferred County: Gloucestershire Volume: 22 Page: 1490
That birth just was not registered!
Unless she was informally adopted and her name changed ...
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