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Hi all, can ANYONE please help me as I am going insane........I have looked and looked and looked and I now I fear I am missing it.

Right here goes,
Trying to find my family in 1901, John Hall and Margaret Ann Hall (Maiden name Hall) married at St Hebburns Co Durham in April 1891 and I thought they soon moved to Glasgow, as they had daughter Margaret born 12/1892. It now seems (Letter from Family in Glasgow) that there was an older sister Mary born 1891 / 2???

My family are;
John Hall ( 1860 birth not sure but hope it's Belford, Northumberland)
Margaret Ann Hall (1865, Portadown, Armgh, Ireland)
Mary Hall b 1891 / 2 birth not known
Margaret Hall b 12/1892 Glasgow
John Hall b 3/1895-3/1897 Glasgow
Robert Hall b 3/1895 Glasgow
Thomas Hall b 2/1897 Glasgow
Alice Hall b 11/1898 Glasgow
Annie and John Edward Hall born after 1901

Finding them in 1901 is so IMPORTANT as John Hall snr left the family soon after the birth of last child John Edward in 1909. If I find the family in 1901 it should (fingers crossed) confirm where John Hall snr is from, hense the importance. The Scottish 1911 census (when it comes out next month) should not have John Hall snr with the family. I have John Hall snr in 1911 back in England, very confussing I know but I hope it makes sense.

I can not find this family anywhere, searched England, Scotland and Ireland but nothing, it may just be me. I am going crazy now as there are too many of them not to find (if you know what I mean). If anyone can help, I would be very grateful, thank you xxx

Two John Halls in 1901 Census in Northumberland - not sure if these are your John's the first one shows John as living with his Brother - could he have returned to his family in Northumberland after his last child was born?

Name John Hall
Relation to Head of Family Brother
Age Last Birthday 41
Sex Male
Profession or Occupation Coalminer Hewer
Employment Status
Condition as to Marriage Single
Where Born Northumbreland Nk
Address 83 High Row
Civil Parish Mickley
Rural District Hexham
Town or Village or Hamlet Mickley Square
Ecclesiastical Parish Mickley
Parliamentary Borough or Division Hexham
County Borough, Municipal Borough or Urban District
Administrative County Northumberland


Name John Hall
Relation to Head of Family Head
Age Last Birthday 41
Sex Male
Profession or Occupation Gardener Domestic
Employment Status
Condition as to Marriage Married
Where Born Northd Shillingham
Address Bridge Row
Civil Parish Longbenton
Rural District Tynemouth
Town or Village or Hamlet
Ecclesiastical Parish St Bartholomews
Parliamentary Borough or Division Tyneside
County Borough, Municipal Borough or Urban District
Administrative County Northumberland

You mention Belford - this area spans Northumberland and Country Durham so it may be exploring that too

Three John Hall birth's in Belford - 1860, 1861, 1863

BIRTH:
Name John Hall
Year of Registration 1860
Quarter of Registration Apr-May-Jun
Registration District Belford
Registration County Northumberland
Mother's maiden name
Volume Number 10B
Volume Page 302

BIRTH:
Name John Hall
Year of Registration 1861
Quarter of Registration Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration District Belford
Registration County Northumberland
Mother's maiden name
Volume Number 10B
Volume Page 295

BIRTH:
Name John Hall
Year of Registration 1863
Quarter of Registration Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration District Belford
Registration County Northumberland
Mother's maiden name
Volume Number 10B
Volume Page 310

I don't think this is your John but here is the 1901 Census information - which states him as Head of family :

John Hall - Head - 41 - domestic gardener - born Northd Shillingham
Margaret - Wife - 40 - born Newcastle upon Tyne
David - Son - 9 - born Newcastle upon Tyne
William - Son - 7 - born Newcastle upon Tyne
Edward - Son - 4 - born Newcastle upon Tyne
Margaret - Daughter - 6 months - born Newcastle Upon Tyne

Living: Bridge Row, Longbenton, Tynemouth

1901 Scotland Census
about John Cuthbertson
Name: John Cuthbertson
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Margaret Cuthbertson
Gender: Male
Where born: England
Registration Number: 644/6
Registration district: St Rollox
Civil parish: Glasgow Maryhill
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 465 New Keppeckhill Road
Occupation: Labourer Unemployed
ED: 60
Household schedule number: 38
Line: 20
Roll: CSSCT1901_289
Household Members: Name Age
John Cuthbertson 40 England
Margaret Cuthbertson 34 Ire
Mary Cuthbertson 10 Glas
Maggie Cuthbertson 9 Glas
Thomas Cuthbertson 5 Glas
Alice Cuthbertson 3 Glas


I wonder if there has been a mistranscription of the surname? I cant seem to find this family in the 1891

Looks like you could well be right Ginny but how on earth does Hall gets mistranscribed as Cuthbertson?

There was an Alice Hall born 1898 St Rollox / Glasgow on scotlandspeople

Cathy

Thats the trouble with Scotish censuses, you cant look at the actual record!

The Scotish 1911 census is out soon, next month I think? Might be worth checking that but the family that I posted were not around on the 1891 so Im 99% convinced it's a possible that they are yours


Edit; Sorry Cathy...I wasnt ignoring you I was responding thinking you were the poster!

Where is Angeline?

That's Ok Ginny :-))

I was trying to find who was above them on that census by putting those details from the 1901 census you posted ie:

Registration Number: 644/6
Registration district: St Rollox
Civil parish: Glasgow Maryhill
Address: 465 New Keppeckhill Road
ED: 60
Household schedule number: 38
Line: 20
Roll: CSSCT1901_289

But it doesn't seem to work...although it's probably me that's not doing it right :-((

Cathy

Hi all,

Oh thanks, why did I not get an email telling me I had got replies !!!!!!.

So so sorry for not replying sooner, had no idea about all the replies. The Cuthbertson family is the same family (Hall). Just got back from Glasgow after collecting poor relief applications and I have now found out the parents of my John Hall (Robert Hall and Margaret Cuthbertson). I was aware of Johns father being Robert Hall from the marriage cert but needed to have written proof that I had the correct John Hall and now I have.
By all accounts my 3rd Great grandfather was a right one, still not worked out why he used his mothers name for the census but he did. He left the family on and off for a period of over 10 years and looks like he was full of fibs from reading this application.

All sorted now and thanks so much for all your replies, just wish I had read them sooner Angeline xxx

That's OK Angelina, GR never send emails to tell anyone they have replies unfortunately.... Glad you found the info you needed and good luck with your tree!

Kind regards,

Cathy

Michelle - technically, you're correct. Thru 1844, Belford did include part of Durham. However, it's not the modern County Durham we're talking about here, but the old County Durham that had a detached chunk on the Scottish border, around Berwick. This anamolous chunk was transferred to Northumberland in 1844.

For ref, here's the previous h/h



I searched for parish # 644/6, page # 8, keyword 60 (I pick up some h/h sn 60, but they've got difft census place descriptors)

1901 Scotland Census
about Robert Dunlop
Name: Robert Dunlop
Age: 13
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1888
Relationship: Son
Mother's Name: Ann Dunlop
Gender: Male
Where born: Glasgow, Lanarkshire
Registration Number: 644/6
Registration district: St Rollox
Civil parish: Glasgow Maryhill
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 465 New Keppeckhill Road
Occupation: Scholar
ED: 60
Household schedule number: 37
Line: 19
Roll: CSSCT1901_289

Ann Dunlop 55
John Dunlop 17
Robert Dunlop 13

Source Citation: Parish: Glasgow Maryhill; ED: 60; Page: 8; Line: 19; Roll: CSSCT1901_289; Year: 1901.