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In 1851 Census for Manchester, Parish of St. Mary's, Deansgate, Lancashire, there is a
Robert Thompson (aged ?) and he is 'BASKET MAKER, MASTER'

Margaret Thompson wife aged 43yrs (1808) Sheffield? or Huffield?, Yorkshire
George son, aged 7 born (1844) Manchester
John 5 born Manchester
Robert 3 born Manchester

Anyone able to read his age for me?... I think it says '56' but for the life of me, I cannot find this man at all in the 1841 census as a basket maker.

Thing is, I sent off for certificate, for his marriage to Margaret as believe her name to be a Margaret Hindle, and it came back as him being a 'MASON' and his father a Samuel Thompson, 'MASON' - this surely cant be the same man then.? I mean, if he was a basket maker and a 'Master' it meant he had qualified in a trade, and was now teaching an apprentice perhaps? would this then make him a 'School teacher' or is that 'throwing the net out too wide'! - There is a Margaret Thompson in the 1841 cenus in 'PRESTON', Lancs, were a John Hindle is living, (her father was a WEAVER), but she is not saying she is born in Yorkshire, her husband Robert's address on the marriage cert for 1841, April is in 'FLEETWOOD' and by the time the census is carried out in June 1841 they are married but not living as a couple, him probably working away or something.

What really is problem is that in the 1861 census, I find Margaret, who is now apparently born in Sheffield, and 10 years younger at 34 years!, but the same children and ages......can anyone advise as to what my next steps should be? where is Robert, the Basket Maker!
Many thanks from Regina
p.s. I have a tree on ancestry and have the marriage cert pasted on there.

The age looks like 56 to me but with that stroke through it I suppose it could be something else.

This is just for reference....

1851

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THOMPSON, Robert Head Married M 56 1795 Basket Maker (Master)
Manchester
Lancashire VIEW
THOMPSON, Margaret Wife Married F 43 1808
Staffield
Yorkshire VIEW
THOMPSON, George T Son M 7 1844 Scholar
Manchester
Lancashire VIEW
THOMPSON, John Son M 5 1846 Scholar
Manchester
Lancashire VIEW
THOMPSON, Robert Son M 2 1849
Manchester
Lancashire VIEW
MORECROFT, Charles Lodger Widower M 62 1789 Basket Maker
Stowbridge
Derbyshire VIEW
BISAURET, Samuel Lodger Unmarried M 35 1816 Cabinet Maker
Weymouth VIEW
TATE, Archibald Lodger Unmarried M 43 1808 Joiner
Manchester
Lancashire VIEW
NELSON, Alice Head Widow F 64 1787 Green Grocer
Ireland VIEW
MCARDEL, Mary Lodger Widow F 65 1786 Shirt Maker
Ireland VIEW

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RG number:
HO107 Piece:
2227 Folio:
50 Page:
7

Registration District:
Manchester Sub District:
Deansgate Enumeration District:
1C Ecclesiastical Parish:
Saint Mary

Civil Parish:
Manchester Municipal Borough:
Manchester Address:
26, Cumberland Street, Manchester County:
Lancashire

Regards Vera

Is this the 1861 that you found?

Margaret now born Holmfirth and a widow

1861 England Census
about Robert Thompson
Name: Robert Thompson
Age: 13
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1848
Relation: Son
Mother's Name: Margaret Thompson
Gender: Male
Where born: Manchester, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Manchester
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
Town: Manchester
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Manchester
Sub-registration district: Deansgate
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 141
Household Members: Name Age
Margaret Thompson 34
John Thompson 15
Robert Thompson 13
Joseph Gretton 16


Andy

Hi Mad Bull, Vera and Andy,

Yes folks, I thought it was 56 years of age, but it could even be 36 or 66 because of the line smack right in the middle of it. Nuisance that, because you can magnify it as much as you want, and still not read it in entirety alas!

Yes the 1861 shows Margaret, now a 'Widow', with her children, and coming from Holmfirth, Yorkshire....she is now, 34 or not what she would have been if we follow the 1851 census, 53. Does anyone know why there is such variation in the ages and even the place of birth? I mean I think it says 'Sheffield' Yorkshire in the 1851 census...it doesnt say 'Huffield does it? because there was a Huffield in Yorkshire also I think,.

If you look at the 1841 census for a Margaret Thompson born in 1808, you do find her living with a John Hindle (her dad), in Preston. This would mean Robert was working away or had bimbled down to Manchester to set up home for them before the 1851 census. He sure didnt last long living in his new home of 26 Cumberland street, because in 1861 he is no longer alive, if this is his wife Margaret.

Tried looking at 1851 census and the others living as lodgers. One a Charles Morecroft who is also a 'basket' - was he anywhere living with Robert Thompson in the 1841 census, but couldnt find him. The other names I think are 'Yate' and 'Besaunt', but again cant find them. I thought I would uncover Robert in Fleetwood, but in 1841 census, there is no Fleetwood, Lancs to find, only Clevelys. Reason I mention this place is because on his marriage in 1841 April (before census in June) his address is Fleetwood.

Regina

Is this the marriage cert you have ?

ROBERT THOMPSON

Marriages:
Spouse: MARGARET HINDLE
Marriage: 12 APR 1841 Saint John, Preston, Lancashire, England


Robert aged 46 ?

Wondering how you came to choose this one.
There are other marriages in Manchester, Chorlton etc

Hello Mike

I am now wondering why I chose this. Think it is because her name was Margaret on the census and so assumed her Margaret Hindle. I went mainly by the children, as they have appeared with a Margaret as mother, and their ages have not altered and have shown as '4' in 1851, then '14' in 1861 - but yes, the mother Margaret in the 1861 census is now 10 years younger! ...oh dear........ Also another member had said the surname was Hindle and I thought I must be the one who is wrong!? now I wonder, especially as the marriage certificate indicates Robert is a 'Mason' and his father Samuel a 'Mason' this clearly does not show him as a 'Basket Maker' - are there other Margarets then that you have seen and I have missed?...
Regina

Can't see a birth for George T Thompson - which would give you mother;s maiden name.

Just wondering if the T should be an F...



GEORGE FREDERICK THOMPSON --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 30 AUG 1846 Cathedral, Manchester, Lancashire, England
Parents:
Father: ROBERT THOMPSON
Mother: MARGARET
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On the same day there is also a christening for John

JOHN THOMPSON --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 30 AUG 1846 Cathedral, Manchester, Lancashire, England

Parents:
Father: ROBERT THOMPSON
Mother: MARGARET

Perhaps check this cert to see if father Robert is a basker maker ?


Births Sep 1843 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Thompson George Frederick - Manchester 20 592

I was looking at this but it turns out she married Mr Monks so can eliminate that one.


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Marriages Jun 1839 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

CHADWICK Peter Manchester 20 413
HIBBS Mary Manchester 20 413
MONKS James Manchester 20 413
PATTERSON John Manchester 20 413
SUTTON Esther Manchester 20 413
Thompson Robert Manchester 20 413
Wadsworth Chrissey Manchester 20 413
Worrall Margaret Manchester 20 413


Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1839
WORRALL Margaret - MONKS James
Manchester Collegiate Church (later Manchester Cathedral) Manchester
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Again there is a Robert Thompson and Margaret listed in 1843 in Chorlton but turns out her spouse was Thomas Savage.

so .......
Maybe the Hindle marriage is correct, but the occupation doesn't fit.
Argghhh !

What age does it give for Robert on the marriage cert you have ?

Hi Mike

There is no age on the marriage cert. just 'Full Age' which is always the case with older certificates, its a nuisance that.....I dont know why he doesnt exist in the 1841 census. I thought his dad is Samuel, wonder if he also is Samuel Robert and he uses Robert only. But no Samuel as a Basket Maker. No Robert which is odd. If his wife Margaret was from Sheffield Yorks, then perhaps he was living in Yorkshire in 1841 census, so tried it, but nothing useful really. Just clutching at straws thinking this and that, but what you have given me regarding births, thats good, I will go look at the George Frederick 1843 you mentioned. Will get back to you. Thank you for taking the trouble to search for me. Was just wanting advice but the fact you have searched also, is a great help and is appreciated Mike.
Regina